While ‘August 22 mania’ is picking up some steam out here in cyberspace, Brian Whitaker of The Guardian is skeptical about the significance of the August 22 date for Iran’s response to the West on anti-nuke incentives:
[W]hy, exactly, did the Iranians choose August 22 as the date for giving their answer to the US about nuclear development? Probably for bureaucratic convenience. When they promised a reply “by the end of August”, they didn’t actually use the word “August”, but the Iranian equivalent. If you look up the Persian calendar, you’ll see that August 22 just happens to be the end of the month known as Mordad.
I don’t suppose this will discourage the neocons from continuing to write such loopy, prophetic nonsense. Here’s another of them, Michael Ledeen, formerly a key figure in the Iran-Contra scandal, and the Iraq-Niger yellowcake affair, predicting an Iranian nuclear test by November 5:
“The Iranians believe they now have all the necessary components for a nuclear bomb. The only question is how long it will take them to assemble and test it. Khamenei had hoped to be able to test an atomic bomb by the third week in October, but his scientific advisers recently told him they could not make that deadline. They are now aiming for November 4 or 5, the anniversary of the seizure of the American embassy in Tehran during the revolution.
“There is another November date our leaders should take seriously: the 25th, the anniversary of the disappearance of the twelfth imam, and thus the most significant date in the Shiite calendar. Reports from Tehran suggest that the mullahs would like to celebrate that anniversary with a big-time terrorist attack against America.”
Utter tosh. Don’t believe a word of it. Ledeen was not talking about this coming November, but November 2003. His original article is here.
Whitaker’s piece is here. I don’t think one needs to be a neocon or an apocalypse fanatic to wonder whether a religiously-motivated man might see his future in the stars rather than in the protocols of international diplomacy — but since Iran uses the Persian calendar, it does call into question whether August 22 has the significance that has been claimed for it.
It is interesting to note, however, that the Persian calendar differs from the Islamic calendar in that it counts solar rather than lunar years, but that both calendars count years from the year of Mohammad’s emigration to Medina. The Persian calendar is, in effect, a variety of Islamic calendar. Also, Afghanistan has, like Iran, generally used the Persian calendar, except during from 1999-2002, when Taliban power was at its height. Although the Shi’ites of Iran have never cared much for the Pushtun fundamentalists who run the Taliban, it does not follow that an exceptionally dedicated Shi’ite in Iran would not also, like the Taliban leaders, take an occasional look at the Islamic calendar. It’s not that unusual for an American Jew, whose public life is governed by the Gregorian calendar, to note significant dates within the Jewish calendar. Who knows?
August 13, 2006 at 9:44 pm
yeah who knows
August 16, 2006 at 12:32 am
why do you spew such nonsense. you don’t think this is possible? open your EYES. if you read the Bible you will see what is happening directly in front of them. most possibly, Ahmadinejad is the anti-christ. if not, then definately one of his worker bees. if that makes me a religious fanatic so be it. i bet you don’t think the sleeper cells are here in the U.S. either.
wake up to what the conservatives have been saying for years. shut the borders. or poof be gone.
August 16, 2006 at 2:02 pm
AHMADINEJAD IS NOT THE ANTI-christ, but you can be assured he is already behind the scences, its time for all christains to shake them selves, for the catching away of the body of
CHRIST IS NEAR, CHECK THE OIL IN YOUR LAMPS……… LOOK UP OUR REDEMPTION IS HERE
August 16, 2006 at 2:32 pm
I am ready and watching! Rapture comming up!
Jesus fullfilled the first four fests of the Lord on the exact date!(Passover, Unleavened bread, Firstfruits and Pentecost)Should not the next be fullfilled the same way? The feast of Trumpets is on September 22. If Jesus were to come back this year to catch up the church it should be on that day! If not this year, we look forward to next year’s Feast of Trumpets and so on…
PEACE!
August 17, 2006 at 1:06 am
shut the borders. or poof be gone.
Smartest thing I read all day.
August 17, 2006 at 2:03 pm
no Ahmadinejad is not the anti-christ.
didn’t they say the same thing about hitler and just about every other dictator including stalin?
the one you need to look out for will come from the general region of france. he will be a catholic priest. a former jew and probably black.
he will take the seat of the pope and (as christ did) declare himself as Christ did in Luke 4:18.
the temple in jerusalem will be rebuilt and animal sacrifice will again be done.
the temple will be divided. one side will be jewish and another part will be catholic and he will deceive the world with miracles.
August 17, 2006 at 10:18 pm
Ahmadinejad is a worker bee of the Anti-Christ. The Anti-Christ is a thing, not a person, and is the Dome of the Rock on Mount Moriah (i.e. desecrating the temple mount, the holy of holies of the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob/Israel). And the rapture? I don’t know about that one because Thessalonians says we will all be changed in the twinkling of an eye, “AT THE LAST TRUMPET” (i.e. the 7th trumpet in Revelation). So are we going to be raptured before/within Daniel’s 70th week like the prevailing theory holds? I have my doubts. Read Ellisskolfield.com – it’s very good reading indeed.
August 18, 2006 at 12:44 am
Correction: “And the rapture? I don’t know about that one because Thessalonians says…”
Make that: 1 Corinthians 15:51-52 says that we will ALL be transformed “at the last trumpet:
“Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed – in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet”
I don’t know why, but MANY eschatologists ignore the last 4 words of those verses.
August 19, 2006 at 6:17 pm
Ahmadinejad is not the anti-christ. However the spirit of Anti-Christ has been in the world since the time of the Apostles. The early church fathers were greatly opposed by there own country men (who were non the less…Jews)and were against-Christ. I’m no anti-semite, but I do believe the false messiah will be Jewish. Christians are engraffed branches into a Jewish tree, and the branches that were broken-off will never submit to a gentile who says he is the messiah.
August 19, 2006 at 7:04 pm
As far as Aug 22 goes. There must be wars and rumors of wars. Plus other things must also happen before the end. Ahmadinejad’s next move may be significant, but don’t expect to be caught-up right away. Here’s food for thought: The “rapture”(1Thes 4:16-17) and the first resurrection (Rev 20:4-6) are at the same time. and the last trump(1 Cor 15:52) and the 7th trumpet (Rev 11:15) are also the same. However, you are right “CHECK THE OIL IN YOUR LAMPS”.
August 20, 2006 at 6:05 am
You christian’s are pretty silly quoting that dumbass book you attribute to me.HAHAHAHAHALOL!!1111!
August 20, 2006 at 10:22 pm
I prefer the Capuchin way of preparing for the apocalypse.
“Pray, hope, and don’t worry.” -St. Pio
August 21, 2006 at 4:37 am
The signs couldn’t be more clear, the end is near. This isn’t a phrase from a soap box straped to an insane homeless man, but what the terrorist interviewer might be saying to the public. I wonder when will people stop saying that the Muslim religion doesn’t teach hate? It’s the only thing ever coming out of Islam teachings these days.
August 21, 2006 at 6:42 am
Paul of Tarsus was the anti-christ and the first corrupter of the gospels.
http://www.jesuswordsonly.com
August 21, 2006 at 3:10 pm
Whatever happened to the saying “no man knows the day nor the hour”? Please remember if you are a Christian, your job is not to be looking up waiting for Jesus to return but to go out and tell others about the love of God for them. Perhaps it would behoove us to simply pray for the man’s salvation. As I recall God can turn “fanatics” and “terrorist” into apostles. Let us indeed pray for the return of Christ, but let us do our best to make disciples of all men, which was his last command to believers.
August 21, 2006 at 4:55 pm
amen to the last comment just then. seriously.
August 21, 2006 at 5:41 pm
Listen,
I read some of the comments by those who seem to be Christian. We all must remember, mostly those who follow Christ, that the Hebrews one thought that they were the chosen ones and God sent his son to show them the way. That they were, in fact, not doing as God instructed them. And, how did they treat Christ? So how can any of us call this new Iranian president the AntiChrist. We should all know that we don’t know. Those who believed they were the chosen ones did not believe in Christ just as we, today, believe that all of Islam is evil. It is just not true. To go out and label others as the antichrist just because we feel right adn just is wrong. Remember the gospel. God works in sttrange ways. Almost never is it what we think it will be.
August 21, 2006 at 9:42 pm
If you look at endtimes stuff from a missiological perspective, as I do, then the end can not come until the gospel has been preached “unto all the nations” (Matt. 24:14)and since there are about 5,000 languages into which no portion of Scripture has been translated, I don’t believe the end can come for several more years. However, Iran is likely to cause some trouble pretty soon, anyway.
August 21, 2006 at 10:40 pm
Islam is evil. Any religion or group that does not teach the truth about Jesus Christ as being the only begotten Son of God, THE way, THE truth, THE life, the only way for sinful man to enter heaven is evil. Abhor every wicked way! Islam is sending millions to hell for all eternity. Christians need to stop being so wishy-washy, it’s not all good. These people need to be turned from darkness to light. They need the Gospel. They Jesus Christ.
August 21, 2006 at 10:41 pm
Islam is evil. Any religion or group that does not teach the truth about Jesus Christ as being the only begotten Son of God, THE way, THE truth, THE life, the only way for sinful man to enter heaven is evil. Abhor every wicked way! Islam is sending millions to hell for all eternity. Christians need to stop being so wishy-washy, it’s not all good. These people need to be turned from darkness to light. They need the Gospel. They need Jesus Christ.
August 22, 2006 at 1:31 am
As a random surfer I find fortitude in many of these passages. We Christians need to take to heart the comment on conquering Islam. The want us dead and there is nothing we can do to soften them up. The ironic situation is our support of Jerusalem. Ironic in that they missed the boat on Jesus. We are partially Jewish at our core, EXCEPT we saw the light, the truth, and the way. Ahmadinejad is declaring another crusade and we are going to need to pound them back into a corner in the desert again if not wipe them out completely. Read the Koran. It is not a good book. I don’t say this lightly. I prey that those who are on the fence realize that their heart is love and Christ taught love. Islam is not love. Hitler was not love. These are dark times indeed.
August 22, 2006 at 3:58 am
You people are all wrong. As a Christian remember this one thing.
God forgives all of your sins no matter what.
What the hell does it matter if a fucking flying guy on a horse comes down tomorrow and kills us all. It doesn’t because that is impossible, and even if we were to die a misrable death, we know that the promised land awaits us upon death. You all need to sit back and sip a margarita or something. Damn. I mean come on, are you seriously worried about this.
August 22, 2006 at 4:17 am
For my money, a margarita is a little too sweet and sticky for imbibing at this hour of the evening. May I suggest an Oban, neat — or perhaps a Sambuca?
August 22, 2006 at 5:15 am
“1:15AM Eastern Standard Time on The 22nd of August. The Year 2006 and all is wellllllll.”
C’mon people. This hype is as bad if not worse than Y2K. Everyone thought that that was going to be it and look…..still here.
August 22, 2006 at 8:10 am
We (the U.S.) needs to get off the fence about Iran before they are able to develope a nuke in the next couple of years. The only way to make these people submit is to hit them with everything we got (short of nukes). Make it known if you attack us or our allies, even through the means of a third party such as Hezbollah, we will take you, your family, your dog, cat whatever out. Prior to dropping nukes in Japan we had pretty much fire bombed 40-60% of their 23 major cities. The Japanese had a similiar fanatical fighting spirit as jihad muslims that was crushed when faced with the full might and will of the U.S of A. The U.N. is not going to do anything to help resolve this and members in the U.N. particularly Russia and China would rather walk us to our own graves and bury us ass up than help us or the west out. If there are any moderate muslims in Iran they need to rise up because allowing their current government to continue this retoric is ensuring their eventual destruction. I hate to see innocences die but the only innocent people I see in Iran that would be getting killed are children. Those who fail to act are just as guilty.
Kill them and let god sort them out. Its us or them.
August 22, 2006 at 11:04 pm
justin is a dumbass
August 23, 2006 at 3:29 pm
American need to attack hopefully they will import more mexican labor for the jobs
August 23, 2006 at 8:28 pm
To #22 Scott (and all the other multitudes of scoffers),
The very fact that Israel is even a nation again on its native soil, and that it was created in one day on May 14, 1948 AS PROPHESIED in Isaiah 66:8 (Genesis 28:15, etc) is nothing short of a miracle. The Jews are the most persecuted nation in history. Scoff if you wish, that’s your right. But everyone will be held accountable for their action or inaction.
Isaiah 66:8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? Or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.
By “travailing” this passage is referring to the WWII Holocaust. Soon after the Holocaust of WWII, Israel was re-born. Wake up unbelievers! WAKE UP UNBELIEVERS!! The Bible is packed with prophesy and proof that it is the Word of the only God. God will not have patience forever. Just as sure as Israel will last forever, Islam will not prevail – that is also prophesied. You can count on it!
August 24, 2006 at 3:02 pm
first of all I am not a christian.
this is directed toward Endtime and the statement that the antichrist is a thing and not a person.
the anti-christ is a person.
to show this I point out the expressions used by the apostle Paul in 2 Thess. 2 – “that Man of Sin”,
“The Son of Perdition”,
“he that opposeth and exalteth himself”,
“the Wicked One whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of His mouth”,
“he whose coming is after the working of Satan” –
all these point distinctly to a single individual.
The Antichrist is described as the one “who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the Temple of God, showing himself that he is God” (2 Thess. 2:4)
the belief that the anti-christ was not an individual person but a thing arises from the Waldenses
(contrary to one of their earliest books entitled “The Noble Lesson”, published about 1100 A.D.)
that the system of Popery was the anti-christ and which was eagerly adopted by the Hussites, the Wycliffites and the Lollards. because they had been so persecuted by Rome.
there is not evidence in writings from any of the early writers that show anything but the belief that the anti-christ was anything but an individual person. emphasis being on “the”.
August 29, 2006 at 11:54 am
Follow up to Konoko’s coment…
SATAN’S KINGDOM
Satan is presently called the “god of this world” in II Corinthians 4:4. Jesus referred to Satan’s Kingdom in Matthew 12:26 when He said, “And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?” This world and this world’s kingdoms are under the domain of Satan. When Jesus Christ was tempted by Satan, “…the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. And the devil said unto him, ‘All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it. If thou wilt worship me all shalt be thine.’ (Luke 4:5-7).” Was this a bona fide offer? Could Satan offer all this world’s kingdoms to Jesus Christ? The answer is yes!
One day Jesus Christ will take away the kingdoms of this world from Satan and they will become His. The book of Revelation tells us, “…The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and His Christ; and He shall reign forever and ever (Revelation 11:15).” But, presently, Satan has control.
Satan is known by many different names in the Bible. Some of Satan’s names are:
(1) Satan II Corinthians 2:11
(2) the tempter Matthew 4:3
(3) the devil Matthew 4:5
(4) the enemy Matthew 13:25,39
(5) the wicked one Matthew 13:38
(6) the dragon Revelation 12:9
(7) the old serpent Revelation 12:9
(8) that crooked serpent Isaiah 27:1
(9) the accuser Revelation 12:10
(10) the piercing serpent Isaiah 27:1
(11) the deceiver Revelation 12:9
(12) the adversary I Peter 5:8
(13) the liar John 8:44
(14) the father of lies John 8:44
(15) the murderer John 8:44
(16) the oppressor Isaiah 14:4
(17) the day-star Isaiah 14:12
(18) Lucifer Isaiah 14:2
(19) the son of the morning Isaiah 14:12
(20) the one that laid low the nations Isaiah 14:12
(21) leviathan Isaiah 27:1
(22) the dragon that is in the sea Isaiah 27:1
(23) the anointed cherub Ezekiel 28:14
(24) Beelzebub Matthew 12:24
(25) Belial (which means “wickedness” II Corinthians 6:15
(26) Apollyon (Greek for “destroyer”) Revelation 9:11
(27) Abaddon (Hebrew for “destruction”) Revelation 9:11
(28) angel of the bottomless pit Revelation 9:11
(29) the prince of the world John 14:30
(30) the prince of the power of the air Ephesians 2:2
(31) the prince of the demons Matthew 12:24
(32) the god of this world II Corinthians 4:4
(33) an angel of light II Corinthians 11:14
(34) the strong man Luke 11:21
(35) the thief John 10:10
(36) the wolf John 10:12
(37) the roaring lion I Peter 5:8
(38) the spoiler Isaiah 16:4
(39) the extortioner Isaiah 16:4
Each of the above names describes something of Satan’s character.
Satan often makes himself appear so laughable and absurd that people do not fear him. Or he persuades them that he does not exist so that people are incapable of resisting his assaults. Satan appears as “an angel of light” according to II Corinthians 11:14. He often appears as having the truth and deceives many.
Satan’s primary objective is to prevent people from understanding the gospel message so that they might be saved. “In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God should shine unto them (I Corinthians 4:4).” Satan often blinds the lost by giving them a heavenly way to go to hell. In other words religion is Satan’s substitute for the gospel.
Jesus Christ’s major objective is to reach a lost world with the gospel. “For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved (John 3:17).” And again in Luke 19:10 we read, “For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.”
Satan’s major objective is to prevent people from becoming saved. One objection given by the lost more than any other to the true gospel is that “It is too simple!” Satan uses that very objection to cause people to not believe the gospel. Notice II Corinthians 11:3, “But I fear, lest by any means as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.” The message of salvation is not based on human works or merit but on the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross of Calvary. “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God: Not of works, least any man should boast (Ephesians 2:8,9).” Therefore, the true message is simple. God has done all the hard part. Our part is simply to receive Jesus Christ by faith!
Satan is a counterfeiter! He has his imitations:
(1) false Christ, the Antichrist Revelation 13:2
(2) synagogues (his church) Revelation 2:9
(3) doctrine I Timothy 4:1
(4) mysteries (the depth of Satan) Revelation 2:24
(5) throne Revelation 13:2
(6) kingdom Luke 4:6
(7) power Revelation 13:2
(8) worshippers Revelation 13:4
(9) diabolical trinity Revelation 16:13
(10) angels Revelation 12:7
(11) ministers II Corinthians 11:15
(12) miracles II Thessalonians 2:9
(13) sons John 8:44
(14) sacrifices I Corinthians 10:20
(15) communion I Corinthians 10:20
(16) table I Corinthians 10:21
(17) Satan’s cup* II Corinthians 10:21
(18) glory Jude 8,9
(19) armies Isaiah 24:21
(20) gospel Galatians 1:6-9
(21) spirit II Corinthians 11:4
…and more.
Satan counterfeits the gospel by offering people religion instead of salvation. All religions are based on man’s works for salvation, whereas God’s salvation is based solely on the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. The word “religion” comes from two Latin words “re” and “ligio” which mean to do something of self to bind back to God. Religions are therefore man’s efforts to bind himself back to God. God says in the Bible that it is impossible for man of his own efforts to bind himself to God. Satan delights himself in blinding man into thinking that he could earn eternal life through his works. God’s plan of salvation is the exact opposite of religion. Notice Romans 4:5, “But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him (Jesus Christ) that justifieth the ungodly (human race), his faith is counted for righteousness.”
The person who wholly trusts Jesus Christ as his only hope for heaven will be saved. All others will perish. “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life (John 3:16).”
Satan’s kingdom truly is this world and Jesus Christ came to save (rescue) us from it.
August 29, 2006 at 12:01 pm
I believe that the bible is the word of God. if we follow His word we will realize that;
We are all sinners…
As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: (Romans 3:10)
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; (Romans 3:29)
But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away. (Isaiah 64:6)
The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? (Jeremiah 17:9)
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. (James 2:10)
The penalty for sin is death and eternity in Hell!
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. (Romans 6:23)
The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him. (Ezekiel 18:20)
You must be sinless / perfect to enter Heaven!
And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb’s book of life. (Revelation 21:27)
For thou art not a God that hath pleasure in wickedness: neither shall evil dwell with thee. (Psalm 5:4)
There is nothing we can do (or stop doing) to obtain this perfection!
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. (Ephesians 2:8,9)
Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. (Galatians 2:16)
But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. (Romans 4:5)
God provided a way for sinners to be seen as perfect to enter Heaven!
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. (2 Corinthians 5:21)
And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith: (Philippians 3:9)
All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. (Isaiah 53:6)
For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: (1peter 3:18)
All you have to do is “believe” in Jesus Christ as your only means of salvation, of going to Heaven.
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. (John 3:16)
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. (Romans 10:9)
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: (John 1:12)
And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house. (Acts 16:31)
When you “believe” you can be sure now that you are going to Heaven!
All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. (John 6:37)
And this is the Father’s will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. (John 6:39)
And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. (John 10:28)
By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. (Hebrews 10:10)
For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. (Hebrews 10:14)
These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. (1 John 5:13)
Konoko, will you trust in Jesus as you savior now?
August 29, 2006 at 4:23 pm
@Jose
many of the things you say are no doubt true, but some of them are also contrary to the teachings of the Bible.
when you said:
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“For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. (Romans 6:23)”
“The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him. (Ezekiel 18:20)”
You must be sinless / perfect to enter Heaven!
“And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb’s book of life. (Revelation 21:27)”
“For thou art not a God that hath pleasure in wickedness: neither shall evil dwell with thee. (Psalm 5:4)”
“There is nothing we can do (or stop doing) to obtain this perfection!”
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you quote scriptures that say sin is not in any way tolerated nor accepted by God and then say that there is nothing a person can do to obtain perfection from sin!
if a person cannot obtain perfection—-you cannot be free from sin. to have your sins washed away. to be made whole and clean. if there is no cleansing there is no salvation and you are still in your sins. Therefore Jesus died for nothing!
did not God give a Commandment to “Be ye perfect”? what does that mean? It means exactly what it says. Jesus would not have given a commandment that he did not expect his folowers to attain.
but when could they attain it? in this life or only after dying and leaving this world? surely not after leaving this world. if there is no freedom from sin in Christ then Christ died in vain and all are still sinners.
yes…all have sinned, but all do not sin. those who have had their sins washed away are without sin. that does not mean they are no longer capable of commiting sin, but there are deadly sins and non-deadly sins. the 7 deadly sins bring immediate death (we’re talking spiritual death in sin—not physical death here). that person falls from grace and is again bound by their sins. as Samson was bound and could no longer see and what did Samson do, but find faith again and cleansed himself in the destruction of the temple (lead by a child to between the pillars?). and David when he asked if the child was dead? when he was told the child had died? what did he do? he arose and washed himself and went unto The House of the Lord. he arose and washed himself of his uncleaness. why would it be any different after the coming of Christ than it was with Samson and David. it is no different.
the sins not unto death are like getting dirty working in the fields. you need to wash yourself and get cleaned up when it time to eat.
the scriptures say that to be not deceived. that he that committeth sin is of the devil, but you say that a person cannot stop sinning and therefore cannot be free from the devil and sin.
I know what you’d say. that only throught faith in Jesus Christ can a person be cleansed and saved, but according to you when does that ever happen? that you never really can be free from sin because everybody sins, but that isn’t true or Christ again died for nothing.
you’re saying it can only happen when a person dies and leaves this world and until you do you have sin and therefore are of the devil. that is contrary to the Gospels.
If what you say is true? then you’re saying that there is a glorious rapture (not denying that for it is scriptural) and all believers are caught up and Christ is wed to his bride. that it must be then that a person is made clean from sin….for faith does not hide sin. faith and sin are not compatable and cannot co-exist in a person. “he that committeth sin is of the Devil”.
then I ask you who are the guests? in the wedding parable Jesus told of the marriage of Christ and The Church. supposedly (and I do mean supposedly for a very specific reason) at the rapture. when the wedding supposedly takes places…right? well the who are the guests? what happens to the guests ater the wedding ceremony?
no….you’re missing a very important something!
August 31, 2006 at 8:05 pm
@ Konoko
Hello K.
There are not just only 7 deadly sins, they are all deadly, the penalty for any sin is death(separation from God, the “second death”).
As humans we can do nothing of ourselves but go to hell to pay for sins! That’s why God provided a way for us not to have to pay for it, Jesus pay for all sins with his blood and came back from the dead!, If you believe this your sins are covered, you do not have to go to hell! Now, even after you believe, as long as you are in the human body you will still sin! But remember; how many sins have you comited at the time that Jesus paid for them? None! They where all future! Even if you sin after you are saved you are still saved. God offers eternal life not “probation” untill you sin again!
If you have eternal life the moment you believe you can not lose it because it is ETERNAL! If it where not so then God lied and God cannot lie!(Titus1:2)
September 1, 2006 at 6:01 am
Konoko,
Imputed Righteousness are two of the most important words to understand if you want to understand how we are saved. You are correct that Christians sin, but we are encouraged by scripture to not abide in sin or let it dwell in us.
Anything we do to try to get to heaven on our own, is “filthy rags” in comparison to the holiness of God. If our righteousness is filthy, then how do we get there? By accepting not only the blood of Jesus as an atonment for our sins, but his righteousness as our own. We can’t make it home without it.
Mike
September 1, 2006 at 11:35 am
A person that has accepted Jesus as his personal savior has two natures; a sin nature and a righteous nature. Once saved if you study the word, do good works ( Works are good for rewards in heaven once you are saved, they do not come into play for salvation, only one thing is necessary for that, believe in Jesus!) and follow the commandments you feed the righteous nature you abide in God’s grace and your joy, testimony and fellowship will be full.
But if you for some reason (The devil is always tempting! Even the saved.) you quit reading the bible, stop going to church etc, etc. then you stop feeding the righteous nature and feed the sinner nature. This is commonly referred to as “backsliding” then you would fall from God’s grace and loose your joy, testimony, you will be chastise like a son, God might even take you to heaven early, but your salvation, that, you cannot loose!.
The word of God is perfect, not of any private interpretation, cannot be broken. If something in the bible seems wrong or it does not make sense, we got it wrong not the bible. Have you ever watched a 3D movie without the 3D glasses? That’s what the Bible is like without being a believer, you won’t get it! There are infinite ways of thinking (broad is the way) but only one way of thinking (but narrow is the way) will save all from going to Hell. Jesus is the way! You know the story, just believe and the Holy Spirit (the 3D glasses to understand the Bible) will come and dwell in you. (By the way, to change ones mind comes from the Greek metanoia [meta=change, noia=mind] The word metanoia from the original Greek New Testament was translated in English as; repent.)
Change your mind and Believe in Jesus!
PEACE!
September 6, 2006 at 6:58 pm
No more responses, c’on somebody! Don’t you want to know the truth! You know, we are all going to exist forever! In heaven or hell but forever. You need to choose your destination before your last breah or it defaults to hell!
I did not realized this untill recently; have you gotten to that point yet?
It is so simple to choose heaven and it takes no effort or works on your part. You know the story of Jesus, just believe it as true not just as a story.
If you have any questions or just want to talk about it email me at; jepf33@yahoo.com or visit;
http://www.myspace.com/jesus_saved_me_forever
and send me a message.
PEACE OUT!
José.
September 15, 2006 at 11:17 pm
Michael,Daiana,concerned,justin,End of time; Oh how naive are you? As Jesus`s own people were anti him, now his followers are anti him(christians)as they putlies in his mouth,creat so many gosples.this is a man opposite Mohammed , Jesus could read write and teach,so why do you think he never wrote a single line?.
Diana claims the Quran and Islam are evil and do not teach the truth about Jesus,because it claims that he was noy God or son of God.well miss DI then every thing that the Quran says about Jesus is not true ie;
1- He is the coming Messia
2- he was born of virgin birth and never marreid or had affairs like some jews and Christians claim and Tarnish his name.
3-He walked on water,performed miracles, woke the dead,heald the sick,never sined etc.
4-extra miracles that have been probably wiped out by some Monk!ie; When Mary came back from her hidding after Jesus`s birth, holding him in her arms,and was met by some Jews who accused her of sin,calling her names and asked her why she does not reply as God ordered her.Then Baby Jesus spoke to them and said I am Jesus the son of Mary…..
5-As jesus is not mentioned in any of the Old Test and not after , the Quran confirms him and his status for those(Jews) who denounced him and refused him as any superior being:as even a Prophet let alone God or son of God.(Jesus did say ther shall come a person who will aknowlage him)
6-The koran beleives in all the previous Prophets and praises them(good reason to Call it evil?!)
Michal and concerned,lets see who teaches hate,i will only be able to quote a few thing from the Jewish books,some Christian books, and a few jesus sayings and predictions:
1-here are just a few quotes from your Jewish Talmude(conspiring of the Meshna AD 200,editted by Rabbie Juda the prince)and the Gemara (both anti Jesus and Mary)
they use jesus`s real name YESHUA “HE WAS CALLED YESHUA BEN PANTERA by fellow Jews. also AN ILLIGITIMATE SON of a union between mary and a Roman soldier called Pantera.Another name is RABBI SHIMEON BEN AZZAI= BASTERD SON OF AN ADULTRESS MARY. For this reason in Thomas`s 105th saying he quotes jesus ” he who knows the father and mother will be called “SON OF A HARLOT”. In John`s gospel(8:42) ” we were not born of Prostitution” Now you see were the Davinci code comes from?.
This is Jesus speaking of his future followers(YOU christians)”IT was YOU that ISIAH so rightly PROOHESISED when he sad,”THis people(Chritians/jews)Honour me with LIP SERVICE while their Hearts are far from me.the WORSHIP they offer me is WORTHLESS,the DOCTRINE they TEACH are only HUMAN REGULATIONS”(Eagerton papyrus 2,kept on the British muse-AD150)
this one for the jews ” you study the scripture believing that you have eternal life, these same scrriptures TESTIFY to ME.Do not imagine that i am going to ACCUSE you befor my Father, you place your HOPES on MOSES, and Moses will be YOUR ACCUSER” (wonder why?)
Another anti christ`s Apostales in the TALMUD (berakoth 28b 29a)”May apostales have no hope and the Kingdom of rudness be uprooted in our days.May theydissapear in the Twinkeling of an eye. May they be removed from the book of the living and not be inscribed among the Just.Bless you lord, you who cast down the proud”.
hopfully you do know of the newly found testaments dating back earlier than some the present Bible storeis,written by apostals who have been condemed by some Monks,and corropted Popes,cause it did not suite their beleif(I
September 15, 2006 at 11:43 pm
Michael,Daiana,concerned,justin,End of time; Oh how naive are you? As Jesus`s own people were anti him, now his followers are anti him(christians)as they putlies in his mouth,creat so many gosples.this is a man opposite Mohammed , Jesus could read write and teach,so why do you think he never wrote a single line?.
Diana claims the Quran and Islam are evil and do not teach the truth about Jesus,because it claims that he was noy God or son of God.well miss DI then every thing that the Quran says about Jesus is not true ie;
1- He is the coming Messia
2- he was born of virgin birth and never marreid or had affairs like some jews and Christians claim and Tarnish his name.
3-He walked on water,performed miracles, woke the dead,heald the sick,never sined etc.
4-extra miracles that have been probably wiped out by some Monk!ie; When Mary came back from her hidding after Jesus`s birth, holding him in her arms,and was met by some Jews who accused her of sin,calling her names and asked her why she does not reply as God ordered her.Then Baby Jesus spoke to them and said I am Jesus the son of Mary…..
5-As jesus is not mentioned in any of the Old Test and not after , the Quran confirms him and his status for those(Jews) who denounced him and refused him as any superior being:as even a Prophet let alone God or son of God.(Jesus did say ther shall come a person who will aknowlage him)
6-The koran beleives in all the previous Prophets and praises them(good reason to Call it evil?!)
Michal and concerned,lets see who teaches hate,i will only be able to quote a few thing from the Jewish books,some Christian books, and a few jesus sayings and predictions:
1-here are just a few quotes from your Jewish Talmude(conspiring of the Meshna AD 200,editted by Rabbie Juda the prince)and the Gemara (both anti Jesus and Mary)
they use jesus`s real name YESHUA “HE WAS CALLED YESHUA BEN PANTERA by fellow Jews. also AN ILLIGITIMATE SON of a union between mary and a Roman soldier called Pantera.Another name is RABBI SHIMEON BEN AZZAI= BASTERD SON OF AN ADULTRESS MARY. For this reason in Thomas`s 105th saying he quotes jesus ” he who knows the father and mother will be called “SON OF A HARLOT”. In John`s gospel(8:42) ” we were not born of Prostitution” Now you see were the Davinci code comes from?.
This is Jesus speaking of his future followers(YOU christians)”IT was YOU that ISIAH so rightly PROOHESISED when he sad,”THis people(Chritians/jews)Honour me with LIP SERVICE while their Hearts are far from me.the WORSHIP they offer me is WORTHLESS,the DOCTRINE they TEACH are only HUMAN REGULATIONS”(Eagerton papyrus 2,kept on the British muse-AD150)
this one for the jews ” you study the scripture believing that you have eternal life, these same scrriptures TESTIFY to ME.Do not imagine that i am going to ACCUSE you befor my Father, you place your HOPES on MOSES, and Moses will be YOUR ACCUSER” (wonder why?)
Another anti christ`s Apostales in the TALMUD (berakoth 28b 29a)”May apostales have no hope and the Kingdom of rudness be uprooted in our days.May theydissapear in the Twinkeling of an eye. May they be removed from the book of the living and not be inscribed among the Just.Bless you lord, you who cast down the proud”.
hopfully you do know of the newly found testaments dating back earlier than some the present Bible storeis,written by apostals who have been condemed by some Monks,and corropted Popes,cause it did not suite their beleif(I`d believe an apostale than a monk). The idea is let every thing out and dicide logicaly what, why,how, and where.After all Mathews gosprl does say according to jesus ” He who seeks will ceas to find,when he finds he will be ASTONISHED,when he is astonished, he will reign, when he reigns he willREST”.(ALL the new discovereis of other deciples/apostales,only 4 were chosen to match with the 4 latitudes; N,S,E,W.leaving the 8 others.Like st barnabas who contradicts some the main stream so called Bible,coppeis of his Gosples survived and is Bureid in Cypris.
One of the gospels found is the NAG HAMMADI and quotes Jesus”FOR my death,which they think happened, happened to them in their error and blindness,since they nailed THEIR man unto their death. IT was another upon whom they placed the crown of thorns. But iwas rejoicing in thr Height over all the wealth of the Archons and Offspring of their error,of their EMTY GLORY, and i was laughing at their IGNORANCE”
Enough for NOW.I have hords more on HATRED,WOMEN ABUSE,SLAVERY,AND WAR AND DEATH OF NON CONVERTS TO JUDAISM or CHRITIANITY,that will make the Quran sound like a children
September 16, 2006 at 12:06 am
Sorry itr seems like the first part of my writtings have been repeated twice,but the second half of both are different.Please read so not to miss out.
As Jesus condemed his people for straying away from the original teachings,so did mohammed condem the Jews and Christians for straying from the original teachings and putting words in his mouth.SO this is the difference between Islam and Both CHR & JUD,not that they do not beleive in the Prophets or most of their teachings,but we know that Gospels have been Omitted,changed, added,rephrased,and some totaly gotten rid off.As Muslims don`t beleive Jesus was Crucifeid,even though the intention was so,then isn`t it funny that some of the recently disscoverd Gospels SAY the same thing about jesus not crucifeid? .When these gospels were written islam had`nt come yet nor Mohammed born,yet they were only dicovered this centuary, that is 1400 years after Islam.
In st barnabas he quotes jesus saying of the Temple that it shall be distroyed and not one brick will be left untop the other.
October 12, 2006 at 3:21 pm
Lisa;
Isaiah 45:22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.
(Allah is not the God of the universe.)
2Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.(Mohammed was not a prophet.)
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
As long as you are breathing you still have a chance of going to heaven, just believe that Jesus died to pay for your sins, was burried and rose again.
Who else offers to pay for your sins?; Who else died for you?; Who else came back from the dead?
THERE IS NONE ELSE !!!!!!!!
BELIEVE IT NOW, GO TO HEAVEN!
DIE WITHOUT BELIEVING, YOU WILL BELIEVE IT IN HELL!
Yes they are tough words, but they are TRUE words…
January 11, 2007 at 9:54 pm
Bush, George W. is the anti-Christ.
December 17, 2007 at 2:29 am
REGARDING:
Carol Says:
January 11, 2007 at 9:54 pm
Bush, George W. is the anti-Christ.
RESPONSE:
George W. Bush IS antichrist
http://clifylq.livejournal.com/62394.html
Rev 20:4-7
4: And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Yes, Jesus told us before. He told us by his Word. Jesus who is the Word of God. The prophecy is coming to be fulfilled exactly as the Lord told us. Those of us who hold firm for the testimony that we hold for the Lord of Lords, the Alpha and the Omega will be beheaded by the false-Christ and his minions, those who are liars and call themselves Jew but are of the synagogue of Satan. If we do not worship their Moshiach ben David or their Moshiach ben Lucifer as the god of this world, then we have let the world down. Of course, we have, for we are not of the world and the world does not know us. We are ambassadors of the Kingdom of the Lord most High. Those who fear for their lives will become obedient Noachides under the Sanhedrin ten men who is of the Moshiach ben Luicifer.
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May 14, 2008 at 1:20 pm
for gods sake what the hec (picked up ur language sorry) are u guys going on about. you guys r all racist u don’t even know the true meaning of being christian or just simply being a human being. i feel so sorry for all of u who think this way about another religion specially when we all believe in the same god christians,jews and islam we all believe in one god if we say something wrong about one of them were also saying to our selves because their god is our god. i am only 16 years old and feel sorry for use and for ourselves because of some people like u guys who by thinking this way is the people who are ruining our world and our future. i hope that our generation be better than urs and that young people like me don’t get polluted with ur pollutions(of words and behaviours). one thing that i know about christianity is that it says love others as u love ur self and treat people as u would like to be treated. and about humanity that everyone makes mistakes not everyone is perfect. just because a stupid person like hitler becomes a leader of a country that doesn’t mean everyone who lives in that country is like hitler and should be punished or because hitler was catholic which comes under the umbrella of christianity that everyone who is catholic is like hitler. or someone like beladen and other muslim terrorist is evil doesn’t mean all of them r like that because there are always gonna be good people as well as bad people in this world. besides people who do evil are people who don’t believe in their god. cause all of the religions in the world teaches about love, caring and forgiving.so if a person from a religion does evil they are repesenting their religion bad in with a bad name. so if we as christians do evil we are not christian because we are bringing shame on our religion and shows that we are not true chrstians and that we r against it because a good christian will try to attract others by doing good and not evil which will make people run away.
so people please before people like me get sick stop this nonsense and think, learn and experience before saying and making desicion and talking about a religion because all i can see is that u guys don’t understand ur just a blind person who doesn’t know where its going and who its passing in its way!