Shi’ite scholars are nearly unanimous in concluding that Muhammad was appointed to his prophetic mission by Allah on the 27th day of the month of Rajab. According to Ulil Abshar-Abdalla of the Liberal Islam Network, the event has special significance to Muslims:
An important phase which is symbolically considered as reflecting the mission of Muhammad is his meditation in a cave outside Mecca. After he attained the revelation in 610 AD, in spite of staying in the cave, enjoying solitary meditation, and staying away from society, he returned to the city to propagate the teachings, and directed a ‘social transformation’.
In Islam there is a difference between a Nabi (prophet) and a Rasul (messenger). A Nabi is the one who attained revelation, and who is not required to disseminate it to society. While a Rasul, on the contrary, attained revelation and had to propagate it. Muhammad was both a Nabi (prophet) as well as a Rasul (messenger).
I am, here, using simple terminology. I want to call Muhammad a prophet and a politician as well. In his 23 year career, Muhammad showed a moral reformation through his prophetic career, and led a social and political reformation in Medina.
In essence, the 27th day of Rajab marks the beginning not only of Mohammad’s career as a prophet, but of his career as a transforming leader.
According to IslamiCentre.org, August 22, 2006 corresponds with the 27th day of Rajab, making it the anniversary of the beginning of Muhammad’s prophetic mission, according to the Shi’ites. This is a different occasion than the “Night Journey” or “Miraj” cited by Robert Shelton in FrontPageMag.com, in which Muhammad, after years of preaching, is taken on a journey by the angel Gabriel to the “farthest mosque” (understood by some to be Jerusalem) before ascending to heaven. So another theory as to the significance of August 22 to Iran begins to emerge.
The devotion of Iran’s Shi’ite president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, to the return of a mystical descendant of Muhammad, known as the 12th Imam, or Mahdi, is now famous:
In a keynote speech on Wednesday to senior clerics, Ahmadinejad spoke of his strong belief in the second coming of Shi’ite Muslims’ “hidden” 12th Imam.
According to Shi’ite Muslim teaching, Abul-Qassem Mohammad, the 12th leader whom Shi’ites consider descended from the Prophet Mohammed, disappeared in 941 but will return at the end of time to lead an era of Islamic justice.
“Our revolution’s main mission is to pave the way for the reappearance of the 12th Imam, the Mahdi,” Ahmadinejad said in the speech to Friday Prayers leaders from across the country.
“Therefore, Iran should become a powerful, developed and model Islamic society.”
“Today, we should define our economic, cultural and political policies based on the policy of Imam Mahdi’s return. We should avoid copying the West’s policies and systems,” he added, newspapers and local news agencies reported.
Ahmadinejad refers to the return of the 12th Imam, also known as the Mahdi, in almost all his major speeches since he took office in August.
A September address to the U.N. General Assembly contained long passages on the Mahdi which confused Western diplomats and irked those from Sunni Muslim countries who believe in a different line of succession from Mohammed. (Reuters, Nov. 17, 2005)
August 22 is at the very least an auspicious day for the Shi’ite Ahmadinejad: in that it is the day that Muhammad’s power to create a new Islamic society became manifest, it can be analogized with the beginning of the putative new era of Islamic justice to be ushered in by the Mahdi. As Iran comes out of its period of isolation — its time in the cave — Ahmadinejad’s public statements indicate that he sees himself as an agent of change in the next phase of Islamic development, one in which “the world is standing on the threshold of great development and the Muslims are expected to overcome their aggressive enemies.” Symbolically, it may be that Ahmadinejad sees August 22, the day on which he has promised to respond to Western nations regarding their offer of incentives to persuade Iran to give up its nuclear program, as the day on which he begins his own transforming mission.
If the speculation is correct and Ahmadinejad has chosen August 22 for spiritual reasons and not just because it falls easily between already-scheduled dental and car inspection appointments . . . whether Ahmadinejad decides to initiate Iran’s new global Islamic mission in imitation of Muhammad-as-moral-reformer-and-politician, or in imitation of Muhammad-as-conquering-general, is something that remains to be seen.
UPDATE: See also my subsequent post, Another Perspective on ‘August 22′: Persian vs. Islamic Calendars.
FURTHER UPDATE: See our liveblog of August 22.
August 10, 2006 at 5:41 am
Yeeeeeeeehaw; Jiiiiiiiiiiiihad
It’s time bitches!
Turning glass into sand is our specialty!
A sword, a sword is polished!
August 10, 2006 at 1:44 pm
Is there any indication that this is August 22 of 2006? Or could it be that day on a different year?
August 10, 2006 at 1:58 pm
IslamiCentre.com does confirm that the 27th of Rajab does fall on August 22 in 2006. See the Islamic Calendar box in the lower right.
August 10, 2006 at 4:29 pm
I think Pipeman meant turn sand into glass. Yes, true, but not before Iran turns Israel into an ashtray. Then if there is anything left in Tel-Aviv, a retaliatory strike will occur, turning Iran into an ashtray. Too bad the oil will be contaminated for 40,000 years after that….
August 10, 2006 at 5:43 pm
[...] Back a while ago, Iran responded to the U.N. that it would think about taking a package of incentives to end its nuclear program, but that they weren’t going to get back to us about it until August 22nd. I happened across this essay by Bernard Lewis last week as I was keeping up on the crisis on the Middle East. In it Lewis underlined the likely possibility that Iranian extremists have something apocalyptic planned for that day (or maybe the night before). There’s also a great article by Joel C. Rosenberg about it on National Review Online today, and check out this blog’s take on it. [...]
August 10, 2006 at 6:10 pm
That’s the problem with those emotionally religious fanatics – they act without logic and intellect. Lots of dreaming here when you think Iran will be allowed to dominate the area without opposition even by the Sunnis as we are now seeing with respect to Lebanon. True, Iran may sneak one or two nuclear devices in via Syria but any ICBM or long range missile can and will be shot down, and as Moonhermit puts it correctly, Israel (with her submarines) will no doubt make many areas of Iran uninhabitable for many years (unless you don’t mind radiation poisoning and cancer in your whole family). Too bad for the Persians, who are really good people, that they are dictated to by religious and often idiotic men (who wipe themselves just as we all do). Let’s face facts here: NO ONE can tell you that ANY religion is real AS A FACT because it is based on FAITH alone! We may die and enter into……nothing. In the meantime, the “religious” leaders all over the globe live in luxury and perversion like Yasser Arafat, Jimmy Swaggert, Mullahs, Jesse Jackson, and on and on.
August 10, 2006 at 6:40 pm
Harming Syria, Dream on
Say no to War.
How US should deal with Iran
August 10, 2006 at 8:27 pm
Muslims are the decendants of the orginal corn holer Allah. Their women are hairy and they all stink of butthole. The strong white race will survive and the Liberal’s and the evil brown will become extinct. Strong whites will rise up and slay the weak white. Then they will go after the evil brown. It’s evolution, we have aloud they CaveMen to survive with us for too long. I can’t wait to get me a “Whigger”.
August 10, 2006 at 11:16 pm
IRAn Is at its end point…Death time came to IRAn In next year..
August 11, 2006 at 12:15 am
Can’t we all just get along?? Does anyone think that if God wanted someone dead that God would need anyone else to do it. ANYONE who preaches hate is a cave man (that is you Allahs Gay!!). One day maybe the jerks of the world will kill each other and the rest of us can just live!
August 11, 2006 at 12:44 am
Keep an eye on Venezuela..Hugo Chavez is up to something..he’s in bed with the jihadists
August 11, 2006 at 1:08 am
Soccer,
You are a baby seal about to be clubbed. These people dont understand anything but hate. they will stop at nothing shy of destroying us and Isreal. If your way of thinking prevails, they will land on our shores and club you upside the head.YOU are part of the GREAT SATAN country. There are NO cease fires. Their mission is complete destruction for us and Isreal. Peace would be a terrific thing. Unfortunately, they dont think the same way. Kill em all and let God sort them out. When we have a huge parking lot in the Middle East, they will use their primative minds to realize that we are not going to spend a minute messing with them. Get some Balls!! Did you let the bully beat the crap out of you when you were a kid too?? Did he stop when you asked him?? Of course not. You gotta kick the crap out of him first. Nuff said!!
August 11, 2006 at 1:58 am
It’s time for all of us to go down to the river, do some fishing, have a few beers, and wait for August 22 to come.
That’s what we should do.
It is futile to think WE have any control over these events. God … that loving God I was raised to have faith in … will make things ok.
As long as one of those rapture idiots don’t come down to the river and sit beside me, I’ll be fine.
Want to join me?
FutilityFrank
August 11, 2006 at 2:55 am
Whew that Alla’s Gay guy up there has issues. Know where the KKK goes shopping??? The JCPenney white sale.
These radical muslims cannot be stopped even with nukes. They are like roaches. Please note that I say RADICAL MUSLIMS. You can also be assured that if Iran does attempt something the U.S. will do nothing that will harm innocent people or access to oil.
The U.S. is the worlds bitch. We have been since Vietnam.
August 11, 2006 at 5:21 am
Salam alaikum
Very nice post !
Al hamdulillah greetings from Denmark.
Ws..Aminah
August 11, 2006 at 5:38 am
If this does happen on August 22, 2006
It will be our time, no amount of faith or prayer will change that.. Live every day as if it was your last as I have for the last 48yrs of my life, And no worries..
Beleive in God, and yourself, Treat each person as you would want to be treated, and Love like there is no tomarrow.Always see the world thru the eyes of a child, And if and when it happens you will have nothing to worry about
August 11, 2006 at 7:05 am
Not all of us worry there Casey – we lock N’ load so people like you (and our children) can live as pacifist. As far as the Iranian President Baboon A-MAD-jihad and this August 22nd big event: Go ahead: make my day! These Persian suicide statesmen spent 8 bloody years fighting Iraq (ended in a stalemate) and what did it take us to conquer Iraq – (3 weeks?) not to mention Afghanistan (a country no military in 5,000 years could conquer). So, this Iranian “President” is either retarded or suffers from megalomania. Either way he has lots of blood on his hands and will continue to do so until someone dispatches him. We will all know that day, as his soul will be like a greasy hamburger falling into the fire. Hey, maybe THAT’s what’s causing all this global warming – Judgment Day for the Jihadist!
August 11, 2006 at 7:58 am
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is the New Hitler.
August 11, 2006 at 8:35 am
To The Eagle I say this: it is you who suffers from megalomania. You have NOT ‘conquered’ Iraq or Afghanistan. Even if conquest was the object, which I don’t think your politicians would admit, it certainly has not been the outcome. You call total chaos, death and destruction every day, banditry, lawlessness, a VICTORY for democracy? Where was the post-invasion plan?
It is frightening that people like you are so deluded.
August 11, 2006 at 9:58 am
Desperado,
Now you have to ask yourself. Who is financing the mayhem in Iraq? Who is providing the troops that are trying to defeat the elected government of Iraq?
Syria and Iran.
Americans are not as stupid as you think. We know who the trouble makers are. We have a list. None will be missed.
Consider this a track back:
22 August
August 11, 2006 at 11:53 am
unreal how they think its time for the big bang to happen hope hes ready to meet mofohomid.
August 11, 2006 at 2:53 pm
Thanks Desperado – always nice to here from the other side. The definition of megalomania (in case you don’t know) is: 1. A psychopathological condition in which delusional fantasies of wealth, power, or omnipotence predominate and 2. An obsession with grandiose or extravagant things or actions. You don’t know me but we all know Baboon since he’s very forthright and obvious. I know you people hate that word “conquest” but the fact is that objective was to remove Saddam and the blood Baathist party and we did just that with force and without prejudice. The same goes for Afghanistan – just because there is fighting doesn’t mean the war was not won. Yes there is in-fighting still going on in Iraq because the Shias and Kurds are going after the Sunnis who for years got away with murdering their families. The Sunnis who are being driven out are still hopelessly fighting to stop this newly elected government from dominating them as a minority. It was either this or carpet bombing the Sunni Triangle into the Stone Age. We just happen to value life even if they fire at us. But you can’t say that about your side when you strap explosives loaded with ball bearings on children and send them into a crowd to kill innocent people who are Muslims! As far as being frightened of people like me, ask your doctor for Valium.
August 11, 2006 at 3:27 pm
Has anyone stopped to think that maybe the big one on August 22, 2006, might be some suitcase nuke here in America.
If so, who do we hold responsible? Who do we attack?
Think of the major world conflict if we were to respond by nuking Iran without any hard evidence of who set off the device?
August 11, 2006 at 5:28 pm
Something will be attacked here in North America very soon the signs are all around us!Now Bush is gonna say it’s Iran or North Korea’s fault or something stupid like that.He will use that as a pre-text to an all out invasion of the Middle East!I am not a conspiracy theorist but I can’t ignore the facts.By the way the U.S. has been caught carrying out and planning false terror attacks before.All you have to do is google (operation northwoods) for proof!
August 11, 2006 at 5:29 pm
this would be one step closer to the begining of the true armageddon in the prophesy of Ezekiel
August 11, 2006 at 5:31 pm
watch isreal over the next few years….its already been fortold in Ezekiel Ch 36-39
August 11, 2006 at 5:55 pm
Terry, there is no such thing as a “suitcase” nuclear device. That was a fabrication by the KGB (Soviet Union) when President Reagan initiated the “Star Wars” program (which at the time was also a bluff designed to bring the USSR down economically). Nuclear devices (unless cased in thick lead and concrete) are detectable because they leak radiation. BUT, Iran with her submarines has been known to “mirror” freighters (follow underneath) avoiding detection into waters off our coast. There was the theory that they may have shot down Flight 800 leaving NYC during the Clinton years. Pilots reported something streaking up towards the very safe and reliable 747 aircraft. Ask yourself, how many 747s have inadvertently vaporized? If this is a design flaw in the centerline fuel tank, what other 747 aircraft reported having this problem? The fact is we have been involved with the radical Islamic Republic since Jimmy Carter the peanut farmer pressured the Shah to release the “political” prisoners. So much for gratitude…As far as the fear that the USA will start a major world conflict, you apparently didn’t read or study President aMAD-JIHAD’s mission. This as a JIHAD (religious war) that is aimed at everyone who is an infidel (non-believer) to initiate the return of the 12th Imam. All the cookies you can bake for him won’t change his mind. In addition, Shias consider Sunni Islamics heretics and vice versa so even if they eliminate all Jews, Christians, Buddhist, Secularist, Lawyers, and other ‘non-believers” wars would STILL be fought in the name of Allah! Right now there are over 20 wars being fought and Islam is the common denominator. Are you aware that over 100,000 blacks in Darfur, Sudan have been murdered within the last year and by whom? If you guessed the peaceful Islamofacist – you win the prize! So World War 3 is a factual event started by Islam because THEY failed to reform themselves away from radicalism. We are SO brain washed in this country to think that we (and the Jews) are the reason for all the world’s ills when Islam has been at war with the world for 1300 years! Just ask those in India what they think of their Muslim neighbors. Will we be attacked – yes, but from terror cells within as Iran can only fight “proxy” wars (Hezbollah) hiding behind the skirts of women and using children as sand bags. These are 8th century anti-civilization animals and we will have no choice but to confront them or die as a society.
August 11, 2006 at 6:23 pm
Steven, with all due respect – you ARE a conspiracy theorist because the co called “proof” is based on a “for profit” book “BODY OF SECRETS” by James Bamford, Doubleday, 2001. Anytime money is involved (and he made quite a buck) you have to question his motives (retire comfortably) and therefore his so called facts. Has our government been involved in covert activities – of course – all governments do so trying to thwart activities that threaten their country. Having a Soviet base 90 miles off the coast of Florida was a REAL threat back then. But that operation like so many ended up a failure because, well, the federal government is full of lazy incompetent people. If they were competent, we would have no rights by now. My question is that if all this is true (secret plots to kill Americans) why didn’t they kill Bamford before he could release all this so-called evidence? No, this is propaganda released to make us think that our own government is “out to get us” – the old divide and conquer technique. Be mindful that just because you can “Google” a fact doesn’t make it one.
August 11, 2006 at 9:43 pm
A Fascist is a fascist and we have seen their ugly faces before. Repeatedly we have seen those who sought world domination fail. The Msulims tried before and the Spaniards stopped them then. The Russians, Chinese and the Germans have tried – also unsuccessfully. Man has an innate need to not be dominated. It is instinctual not to allow one’s self toe be dominated. Some allow themselves to be indoctrinated into suhc cult like thinking, but not all – only the weak. These poeple are weak.
The Islami-facists will not succceed either. They are weak. They as so sadly disenchanted with life that they think that murder and mayhem will bring them happiness, but sadly they only see death. It matters not that they are willing to walk into death with a suciide bomb or not. The Japanese thought they had the answer with their kamikazee shmucks. These people may cause some harm but they too will fail. If Iran tries to use a bomb, they will not be treated as lightly as Japan was. They will be obliterated, destroyed and turned into one hot spot. Personally, the was I see it, the sooner the better. Then we can move onto the other shmucks who also need to go. Islami-fascism – just one more group to add to the list of failures.
August 11, 2006 at 11:30 pm
The iranian president and all of militant islam want us to retaliate. By doing so we help bring forth the “12th imam”. They believe that the 12th imam will come and lead islam to vicotry when there is enough chaos in the world(the end of days). Attacking israel and “destroying” it for that matter, is a way to provoke global conflict the likes of wich we have never seen. A WW3, but calling it a WW3 wont even give it justice. They want us and the rest of the world to retaliate, they dont care if they die because if they do they die in the name of their prophet and bringing forth the return of the 12th imam. Us attacking and turning there country into “glass” just makes the situation worse. Religious zealouts dont care if they die or are harmed in the name of there beleifs, they want to be martyred.
August 12, 2006 at 2:30 am
[...] I don’t really care about the middle east. There’s nothing in it for me (hey, how about a few oil shares?). BUT THOSE CRAZY GUYS HIJACKED MY BIRTHDAY. This is an outrage, I demand a UN resolution against it. Ahmadinejad’s public statements indicate that he sees himself as an agent of change in the next phase of Islamic development, one in which “the world is standing on the threshold of great development and the Muslims are expected to overcome their aggressive enemies”. [...]
August 12, 2006 at 4:03 am
Perhaps we should have Dick Cheney and his entourage do a night paraptroop drop into Tehran for an early morning bird hunt.
Who knows, Cheney might shoot the mad man!
Seriously, Gore says we’re all going to be under 10 feet of water in 20 years unless we radically change the way we live. Maybe a few nukes will give Mother Nature a chance to make the necessary adjustments.
Finally, good luck to the Yankees in their quest for another World Series title. In the end, does anything else really matter??
Sublime to the max.
FutilityFrank
August 12, 2006 at 4:59 am
WAKE UP SHEEP. IRAN IS ABOUT TO (NEXT WEEK) TURN ITS ENTIRE OIL INDUSTRY TO EUROS WHICH WILL SPIN THE US ECONOMY INTO A LITERAL DEPRESSION. THE UNITED STATES “HAS” TO STRIKE IRAN SOON, OR IT WILL SUFFER ECONOMICALLY. SEARCH FOR “IRAN OIL BOURSE”…
-BUT-
THE US HAS NO TROOPS LEFT. THEY WILL NEED TO NUKE IRAN. THE US WILL ALSO NEED AN ANOTHER ATTACK ON US SOIL, TO GATHER SUPPORT FOR NUKING IRAN. IT WILL HAVE TO BE HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE THIS TIME, TO “JUSTIFY” BOMBING IRAN WITH NUKES.
KEEP YOUR EARS AND MINDS OPEN. LETS TAKE CARE OF EACH OTHER WHEN SHIT GOES DOWN.
BTW, IRAQ WAS ABOUT TO TURN THEIR OIL INDUSTRY TO EUROS ALSO, IN 2001…
August 12, 2006 at 5:05 am
This whole middle east thing is disturbing. I try to see both sides of the conflict.
I can understand why the Palestinians are pissed off. I mean what would you do if your country which was colonized by the Brits was suddenly given away after WWII. I don’t know about you but after helping the Brits fight off the Germans and to see them give my country away I’d be pretty pissed off.
I don’t think any people want to be colonized by another country. Americans should know what that feels like,they had to fight of the Brits with the help of the French.
But then you have to see the Jewish side of things. All they want is to feel safe and secure and they are surrounded by countries that harbor religious fanatics who have no qualms about killing themselves as long as they take at least a jew with them.
At least the Americans try to take care of there own religious fanatics before they get out of hand (wacko is a good example).
This is a stupid situation as neither side is willing to see the other side’s view on things as it would mean that you can actually sympathise with your enemy and could come up with a valid solution to this conflict.
Let’s not forget the countless people on both sides that have lost family members… they are poor enough that they now have kowing left to live for (or so they think) and feel like vengeance is the solution (plus lets not forget the old mulsim saying an eye for an eye a tooth for a tooth).
It would probably help too if Israel finally elected a president that was not somehow related to the 7 day war. I mean stop electing poeple who have no problems killing people. It’s not like they loose slep over it.
August 12, 2006 at 5:14 am
This Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is the same sorry sack of Sheite who was involved in the take over of the US embassy and the Iran Hostage crisis not to mention the bombing of the Marine barracks with 241 Marines dead. I’D say we have a score to settle with this SOB. To quote John Wayne ” Fill your hand you son of a bitch!”.
August 12, 2006 at 6:38 am
Karma,
I totally agree!
Disturbing is an understatement.
I feel so powerless.
It is depressing.
Give me a weapon or something.
I’m 48 years old, have lived a full life.
What about the kids?
Is this fair to them?
NO!
The deserve a chance to fix this crap.
FutilityFrank
August 12, 2006 at 1:38 pm
[...] And here is another commentary [...]
August 12, 2006 at 2:13 pm
Which God gave YOU life? Which God gave ME life? Which God gave THEM life? The information is available and verifiable for all those who believe that certainty is essential. If the best of humans are able to deceive, and the current information of God is from even the best of humans, is certainty existant? Information free of human contamination is available. Should action be taken without investigation of this information? Which God gave YOU life? Which God gave ME life? Which God gave THEM life?
August 12, 2006 at 3:45 pm
“If the speculation is correct and Ahmadinejad has chosen August 22 for spiritual reasons and not just because…”
How about because it happens to be the end of the month in the Iranian calendar. Did anyone bother to consider that Iran has its own calendar? To me, it is more likely that Ahmadinejad chose the date arbitrarily, i.e. “give me ’til the end of the month”.
Not everything is connected to prophesy or conspiracy theories…
-Lou
August 12, 2006 at 4:23 pm
What’s with the nationalist cocktail hour today? Chill out, racists.
August 12, 2006 at 5:57 pm
Unfortunately no longer is politics undermining the world it is religion…each religion has its own basis….and too bad one thinks theirs is superior to others…especially the radical ones, who have been brainwashed to think that to be a martyr is to go to “heaven”. No one knows what is out there after death….yet killing and suicide seems to be the solution for too many…so sad but this has occurred from the beginning of time…and nothing is going to stop these crazies…we will never be prepared enough to stop something to equal or top 911…it will happen for sure, when? only the terrorists will know…we cannot stop them all…what a sad commentary for a world that has been created somehow for some reason…and I don’t think it was to destroy other human beings….but when there are idle hands and minds…and jealousy…they are mighty weapons….there are 100’s of “gods” out there….the supreme beings of so many religions…are they all fictional…from writings of delusional or high on drug people…passed down thru the times as fact….or are they real…lone survivors of a previous catastrophic event leaving them to re-create their religions and see how long it takes to finish the world off….but what about athiests…no god for them….who are they…and why are they here…they scare me more because they seem to be the most adament against anything religious …. are they the purveyors of truth….so many questions and no answers…just hope there is not going to be a WWIII….for I don’t feel anyone is capable of saving the world from fanatacists….I personally think the UN is the cause of so much of the problems today….the organization fails daily…ignores truths…and is full of corruption…may your god bless u and keep you safe….remember we for sure know of one life…so let’s live it for we have no guarantees as to what if anything there is after death.
August 12, 2006 at 8:13 pm
Mr Lou — granted, Iran uses the Persian calendar; you may wish to see my subsequent post about the Persian calendar — Another Perspective on ‘August 22′: Persian vs. Islamic Calendars.
August 13, 2006 at 1:16 am
Hey Chris,
Who are you calling “racist”? I think the racist is that little monkey in Iran who wants to kill every Jew on the planet for starters.
He’s making Iranian Jews and Christians wear yellow Stars of David to easily identify them. Where have we heard this before? Cristalnacht 1938 Actung Juden! Well you know what,Bub?
Never again! They started this shit. We’re going to finish it . It may take another Sept.11 to get everybody in step. Lets hope it dosen’t come to that, but if it does ,we will finish it.
August 13, 2006 at 1:59 am
President Mahmood Ahmedenejad contracted HIV in late 2002 and It will become public knowledge within weeks. This information is from an undoubtable, extremely credible inside source
August 13, 2006 at 4:14 am
Hey Keeram,
If that is true ,does it mean he will be stoned to death under Islamic Law? Sounds like a regime change is in order.
August 13, 2006 at 8:01 am
Ok, you guys got the anti-nuke/anti-war pacifists upset. Cindy Sheehan has been sent to the hospital for dehydration – Couldn’t George Soros buy her a bottle of water for Allah’s sake?! Anyhow, look, we AIN’T gonna nuke Iran (don’t need to). The Persians within the country are pretty upset about their poverty vs. the wealthy Mullahs pissing away their resources on a useless war and forcing economic sanctions upon them because of their quest for Nukes which will make their economy worse (unemployment at about 20%) and sooner or later they and the Arabs within will revolt. This is especially so since finding out that all that money sent to HezBullies ($245 mil) went up in smoke via Israeli smart bombs (notice I did not say George Bush’s smart bombs like a previous writer – that would be an oxymoron and you can’t have it both ways!). Let’s also keep in mind that the Iranian regime will pour tons of money into Syria to “help” with the huge inflow of Shias from Lebanon (who are escaping the wrath of the non-Shia Lebanese – hello civil war). This should also piss off the dominant Sunnis in Syria that Iran is populating THEIR country with more heretic Shias. So, Mahmood will have his hands full (if not already – from what I hear he does not use toilet paper, but an anti-bacterial soap) from within. But bombing a country that is 70% pro American would be stupid and expensive to rebuild – the change will come from within.
August 13, 2006 at 8:29 am
After reading over these blogs some are in the ballpark and some are reacting from emotion of the situation which is entirely understandable.
But let’s wash out our headgear and look at the whole picture. North Korea,Iran,Egypt and Syria are all in this together. North Korea, has been exporting missles and parts and technology to these countries for sometime now.
From the short range Nodong, to the ICBM capable Taepodong2 and 3 type missles. With financial backing from the middle east especially Iran. (just do a search on “north korean missles” and you’ll be surprised how much these countries are coperating with one another even trading scientist and observers”).
We didn’t discover Iran’s nuclear project until the new American,KH spy satelites were deployed. The Iran and North Korean projects are under ground and in mountains. This is why President Busch aquired 1 million dollars for the testing of a small nuclear warhead on a deep penetrating bunker buster bomb. The tests were succesful and obviously have only one mission. Vaporizing underground hardened targets without the release of above ground radiation. If a nuke is used against the U.S. or our allies the response will be quick and devestating to say the least. But when dealing with a culture who want to be martyrs,it’s not much of a deterence as it was during the Cold War. Finally if there is a strike against Israel,with first generation A-Bomb or bombs.
Israel, with it’s geography and hardend bunkers would be able to make a full retalitory strike with modern 3 stage thermo-nuclear weapons in the multiple megaton yield. Obviously this could trigger WWIII. And If the 3 stage Taepo’dong was fired at the U.S. the same would response would be the same. In any event we all had better be prepared for such an catastrophy. (Have a nice day)
August 13, 2006 at 9:24 am
why do people kill people?
what is the point?
August 13, 2006 at 3:11 pm
This blog and most of these posts are like kids in a schoolyard – namecalling, fighting, worrying…What a sad bunch of humans you are.
You’re all so scared of Iran, etc, because you need a boogieman to be afraid of, one who will keep you from looking in the mirror.
Man, the hate and ignorance here is amazing. I’m sorry I mistakenly stumbled on this blog, it’s a huge reminder of how pathetic and uncivilized the human race still is.
August 13, 2006 at 4:25 pm
Woooo Vera…must know something we don’t….like world peace is at our fingertips?…and leaders of the US, Israel, Iran, North Korea, Venezuela, France, Italy, England…etc…are all gonna sit down at a buffet and shoot the breeze and say…hey guys…have we scared the shit out of our people enough yet so they start believing what we say is true and forget all the corruptness in our governments? Real time real world Vera…wake up and stop reading blogs then and listen to the news……put two and two together hon and just look whats going on around the world….
August 13, 2006 at 4:30 pm
Further proof of Operation Northwoods:http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662&page=1
August 13, 2006 at 4:31 pm
Me thinks vera is the ignorant one…..maybe she knows something we don’t? Maybe the leaders of the US, England, France, Italy, Iran, North Korea, Lebanon, Israel, Venezuela, etc..are gonna join each other for lunch and shoot the breeze and say…gee did we scare our people enough so they might not see all the corruption in our countries….he vera check out the news…then come back and tell us what is going on in world…where have u been hon….in the antartica and just thawing?
August 13, 2006 at 5:24 pm
Vera, Join the fun Love!
August 13, 2006 at 5:27 pm
Try Astral Projection….and meet your God.
August 13, 2006 at 5:28 pm
It’s what all the prophets have done
August 13, 2006 at 7:01 pm
I have the solution to defuse the middle east crisis. We threaten to send Jessie Jackson over there. This alone will have everyone on thier knees begging for mercy.LOL
August 13, 2006 at 7:35 pm
For those who think like W.bush, O.Fallaci.. read this book: Letters Against the war
http://www.tizianoterzani.com/TT_letterenglish.pdf
August 13, 2006 at 8:39 pm
Our world is on the brink of another world war. It will originate August 22nd in the Middle East. The prediction was presented not by Vagna or Nostradamus but by an American political scientist Bernard Lewis in the acclaimed publication of Wall Street Journal. He is a man with close ties to the Bush administration as well as to the non-conservatives pushing for the radical solution of the “Iranian Threat.”
http://english.pravda.ru/topic/war-248/
August 14, 2006 at 1:10 am
I have enjoyed reading all the blogs written here. Some a quite funny. While I have mercy for innocent people, it is those same innocent people who sit back and allow all the Shi’ite to take place. We need to realize as someone stated, these people do not care if they blow themselves up. They long to do it for the 69 virgins they are promised in the afterlife. For them to die as a martyre is like me getting my sword swallowed…pure bliss. They do not see peace or peaceful coexistance as an option. They see death to the infidel (all non-muslims), and that is what they want. They want a world of muslims. They want the world. So, if you are sitting there thinking, “Can’t we all just get along,” then you are sitting there like the baby seal about to get clubbed. They do not care about you or your children or your momma or grandmother. They would be smiling as they walked into your house on Thanksgiving and clubbed your whole family to death. To them they are doing a favor for Allah. I say we use neutron bombs. That way the oil is safe, but the people dead. This is all they know, so I say we give it to them before they give it to us. We’ll have Chaney’s men go in with their bull dozers (Since they will of course win the contract), to cover up the dead. Then, we move all the people who are too chicken Shi’ite to do anything (Yes you can’t we all just get along), and all the good for nothing freeloaders sucking my tax dollars for welfare and have them extract all the black gold for us. Then we divide all the profits between all us real Americans who won’t take any Shi’ite. In case anyone has forgotten how it works, the strong survive. Bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb Iran….
August 14, 2006 at 3:34 am
Onthisnote, look in the mirror. You will kill – not for 69 virgins or whatever, blah blah – but for your ignorant, brainwashed beliefs which are just as nonsensical.
The guy who posted the Northwood article is on top of the game. But there’s a whole bunch of guys on this bitching, scaredy-cat board who need to get some serious learning…Either that or go see one of those professionals who de-program brainwashed, delusional cult members.
You all are too brainwashed to see when Cheney and the rest of his corporate old fogey, bald-headed, heart-attack men are buggering you, America, and the rest of the world up the ass.
Goodbye and – - Good Luck. You and your refried brains need plenty of it.
August 14, 2006 at 4:29 am
wtf? dude this is scaring the shit out of me cuz im 16 and have the whole life ahead of me. Man i wish there is somewhere i can go to help me. ? is there? cuz this is fucking outrageous. I hope everything works out in the end and everyone is happy. :/
August 14, 2006 at 4:41 am
The 22nd is 2 days before my 19th birthday. The world could be at war on my birthday–sweet!
August 14, 2006 at 7:16 am
die … zionisme … die ….
August 14, 2006 at 12:56 pm
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August 14, 2006 at 1:19 pm
OMG how missed up are we, so many things to think about. so many things to do before the end, will it end, I dont know but if we keep thinking it will it mite. not a good time to have kids right. how messed up is a religion thats says its ok to kill for your god. that frecks me out that people think like that do they love there kids the way we do I dont think so they do strap bombs to them. crazzy shit.its like they live for there religion and not themselfs and there familes very srange to us.I hope they love there kids more then there god.well i have to go now just a fu things off my head, Im not a rocket scientist just a guy trying to live and rase my kids the best i can and show them that life is good. one thing i allways say to my kids is ( its good to be alive today isent it) as i say that i watch there little faces light up. do they say that to there kids I hope so.
August 14, 2006 at 2:06 pm
Its a religous war out there in the middle east and has been prophisized in the bible in the book of Isaiah 38-39.
This is not about oil, occupation, or anything. Its about those nut jobs that want to see Israel wiped out of the middle east to form an ISLAMIC State. RADICAL Islam is the devil’s creation in my opion. And will has to delt with accordingly.
This is all about a religious war and our Gov. knows it. They know the scriptures and its teachings. Hence the reason for defending Israel from Radical Islamic nuts. If we could only convert them to Christians, none of this would be happing.
I am against Israel’s occupation of Palistian land. I am against the killings of innoccense on BOTH sides. However there will be more, ALLOT MORE and our LORD will sheild us from that which will come.
Why do Muslims fight and kill each other the way they do? Hummm. You don’t see that in Christianity, or in Jews. This about the ISRAEL BEING DISTROID by Radical Nuts in the name of “ALLAH” OR ALA, or what ever they call their God. God has said it. Exodus 20:3 – Thou shal not no other gods before me.
This is all about religion and faith. Radical Islam want to impose their beliefs on us and convert us or kill us. Once we start to realize the objectives of this nuts we will understand that will never be piece in the middle east till the second comming of our lord and savior. Jesus Christ.
August 14, 2006 at 4:53 pm
Hey Vera,
Get back in the kitchen and fix us some sandwiches.
August 14, 2006 at 5:07 pm
Vera seems to be one of the most intelligent people posting here.
August 14, 2006 at 5:13 pm
Most of you people need to remove your head from your ass!!And get informed!!!
August 14, 2006 at 5:22 pm
I agree with Myles. However, it is not “radical” Islam that is doing this, it is just Islam. There is no “radical” Islam. Islam in and of itself is a violent religion/way of life. It preaches violence stright form the Quaran. Now, does this mean all muslims are evil and violent? Of course not. I’m sure there are many people who calim Islam as their religon and practice it with as much enthusiasm as Seth MacFarlane of Stephen Clobert practice Catholicism. As far as all the hoopla in the middle east, read Isaiah and Ezekiel, it will shed more light on what is happening and whats to come.
August 14, 2006 at 5:28 pm
Yet more evidence of what the U.S. has been doing.http://www.nytimes.com/library/world/mideast/041600iran-cia-index.html
August 14, 2006 at 5:33 pm
mechadrum, sorry but Islam is not violent and they condemn such behavior!
August 14, 2006 at 5:52 pm
I think Vera needs to sit on the pump jack. She can look over and nurse all the freeloaders who should be working, because she needs something to get her mind straight again. Wake up dear, man and war go hand and hand. It has been and always will be. The problem we face right now is people like you cannot see it. It takes a 911 for you to start waving your flag. How many friends and family did you lose that day? Your mind will change when your family is blown to bits by some freak who is only too happy to do so.
More lives have been lost in the name of God than any other reason. The only reason Christians do not go and kill anymore is the belief Christ changed the law and now no more eye for eye. That and God stopped talking to people to tell His chosen go and wipe out the non-believer. Now, we have the Muslims who has taken this role upon themselves of cleansing the world of infidels llke you, and yes me. Their only objective is a world of Islam. THERE IS NOTHING ELSE FOR THEM.
So this refried bean head tell you I am very serious if it is going to be my family or theirs who I am going to chose. If death is the only option on the table I want it to be theirs. Wipe em out and to the winner go the spoils.
August 15, 2006 at 1:51 am
#66 Myles – as a “Christian” or even a hedonistic historian, one would know that Israel occupied the geographical TERRITORY of Palestine going way back to the year 2000 BC. [or was that 2000 BH (Before Halliburton)]?, anyhow – There was no official government in Palestine and the creation of “Palestinians” happened during the reign of Hitler and guess for what purpose? But early Israel was a strip of unwanted desert (a part of Egypt) that only nomadic tribes occupied from time to time. Islam was formed around 650 AD – yes after the ISLAMIC conquest they did occupy the land formerly known as Israel, but sorry – those Jews were there first (just like the American Indians were here before us). If the Indians here could put the firewater down, maybe they could take some of it back – I’d gladly donate New Jersey, but I don’t think they’d want the garbage – I mean Garden State. Anywho, (as those Canadians would say) I was beginning to get turned on to Vera (in a weird way) until she used “bald headed” as a derogatory adjective describing undesirable manipulative old men. I resemble that statement and demand an apology! But seriously, 69 is a good number Vera (great year for wine), but don’t short change the young men (and some old bald Moslems too) – they are due to receive 72 virgins! But God does have a sense of humor guys, because they will all be like VERA! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaahhhggg! Nag, nag, nag forEVER! Imagine that!!!
August 15, 2006 at 2:13 am
Oh, sorry for the double post here but I forgot to ask aMADjihad if he could postpone this August 22nd deadline for 6 months to a year? I just bought a BMW (that’s Beat My Wife in Persian) and would like to enjoy it for a while speeding around town with the sun tanning my head through the sunroof.
August 15, 2006 at 4:35 am
Vera ,
How about those sandwiches . The Eagle went on a beer run.When he gets back he’s gonna be hungry!
August 15, 2006 at 9:58 am
Rick…read that story on the site u listed Operation Northwoods:http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662&page=1 While interesting, figured it was going to be a story about a Democrat…why the heck do u think Kennedy was shot in the head? Johnson was no better…and do u want someone like Kerry running our country? Or worse….Hillary and Mr. Cigar Clinton? Mr. Clinton had Bin Laden in his pocket if he wanted but he didn’t act on it….Dems will be the downfall of this country….lol they already are…shit on my shoes that I just can’t wipe off….and oh VERA….why don’t u volunteer and go clean the asses of the Hezbollah….they say that sand they have to use is sure hurting their butts…and don’t shake hands with them….ugh….well know custom…..shit in one, gun in other….and where are those sandwiches Vera Martha Stewart?
August 15, 2006 at 11:32 am
If the muslims really cared about the palastinians and wanted them to have thier own country they could easily divy up a small portion of thier own land (mostly desert)and give it to them. But no they want take Israel’s land that was Israel’s since they did what God, told them to do and take it from the canaanites
a few milleniums ago. Glenn Beck, on HLN,is also of the opinion that this is the start of WWIII. I found it intersting that the regular news never reported on the 10,000 muslims in Deerborne Mich, demonstrating and proclaiming Hezballah or how ever you spell it as thier Army. This area is 30% muslim and is the place where lasers were being aimed into the cockpits of airliners in hopes of blinding the pilots and crashing the planes. This was also reported by Glenn Beck on HLN. Seems we have to clean up the insurgents here first. Then clean up the middle east. The neutron bombs sound like a good Idea. They don’t destroy buildings but explode giving off massive gamma ray radiation.
After ten days it is safe to move into the area again. A pre-emptive strike on Iran and North Korea is a lot better than waiting for them to nuke the U.S. to have a reason to hit them. The best quote of the week was by a woman who was on one of the flights comeing from England. “The world has lost it’s mind”. Nuf said.
August 15, 2006 at 3:07 pm
Glenn Beck is a bag licker!!!
August 15, 2006 at 4:08 pm
what a glorious time to be alive.
i have been waiting thirty years for the shit to go down!!
i will be in the woods and if you come into my woods i might eat you.
no money\image worshipping morons in my lifeboat.
I LIVE FOR SURVIVAL!!
Bring it
SURELY I COME QUICKLY. AMEN!!
August 15, 2006 at 6:59 pm
brettzy be careful what you eat it may be your last meal.
August 15, 2006 at 7:00 pm
o i forgot amen and i come slowly
August 15, 2006 at 7:38 pm
Karma did partial research on the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. Folks often overlook the fact that the MUSLIM Ottoman empire conquered (read owned) the land that both the Jews and Palestinians claim. The Israeli colonists pre and post WWII purchased most of the lands now recognized as Israel LEGALLY from MUSLIMS! The issue has been contested by the Palestinians for decades, but to whom do you plead for justice when the ruling entity is no longer in power? Yes, the fellow muslims could have alleviated this “grievous act,” as one previous letter mentioned, by giving up parts of their territories. “But, Nooooooooo!” as John Belushi’s character on Saturday Night Live would say, they’d rather continue an on-going feud with an age-old “enemy.” Get along? In your dreams. Yes, the muslims want an islamic world free of jews and infidels. The pact with Iran’s Pres. “Ah-ma-nut-job” is no better than Hitler and Stalin’s pact. Look what happened there! Wake up, world! You might be next!
August 15, 2006 at 9:03 pm
Bismi Allah Arrehman Arrahim. Kul Aaoozo be Rabin nass. Malikin nass. illahin nass. Min shar ril was wa sil khan na sil lazi. yu was wiso phe sudori nass. me nal jin nate wan nass. Ameen
August 15, 2006 at 9:21 pm
Ricky, I don’t know what Mr. Beck may or may not lick, but I think the story he did about the 10,000 Arabs in Dearborn, MI putting on a rally to show support for Hezbollah was a very important story.
They are in our streets. Its time for us here at home to lock n’ load. When push comes to shove, we ARE the militia.
August 16, 2006 at 12:36 am
Hey MRS DJ, The government is teaching us that all Arabs and muslims are out to get us!I’m more afraid of our own government as they have demonstrated throughout history they are capable of things we cannot comprehend!
August 16, 2006 at 12:50 am
Ricky I find it humorous that you are using the NY Times as your source to prove a fact. Isn’t that the same newspaper that hired and retained someone because of the color of his skin and allowed him to Plagiarize and make up stories as fact??
August 16, 2006 at 1:58 am
Hey getReal,There’s only about 3.2 million websites you can find info on.Take your pick!!
August 16, 2006 at 2:25 am
DO NOT WORRY MY FELLOW US CITIZENS…THE IRANIAN PRESIDENT WILL EXPERIENCE AN UNFORTUNATE SURPRISE ON AUGUST 22, 2006.
August 16, 2006 at 3:59 am
#84 Ahmz: Nok yerself appro slick – le greymatta bak la performas don, not taketcbe’n man. There – now chew on that for a while smarty pants.
Ricky: Sure (IN THIS country without fearing reprisals) anyone can say that this government (made up of countless inefficient fat LIFERs sitting on $600 toilets) is capable of creating precise and extremely well thought out “Advanced Top Secret” events to further empower itself (yawn) but tell us all – or at least those waiting for Vera to get off her fat butt to make those sandwiches – what excuse do you have for Islam 230 years prior to this country’s creation and all her secrecies? For 1300 years Moslems have been raping and murdering to advance their version of a loving God! There are currently about 28 conflicts/wars going on in this world – the USA is involved in only 2 directly and about 4 indirectly. Islam is the common denominator in 23 of the 28. Most of the murders are Moslems murdering Moslems because they aren’t radical enough – NOWHERE is the USA involved in these conflicts (like Indonesia, Kashmir, Philippines, Darfur – Arabs killing Blacks, etc). You are obviously anti-US and we get that, we won’t cut your throat for expressing your opinion (only wishing you eternal life with Vera). You (with your liberal mental disorder) will continue to seek out any and all anti-US fabricated propaganda from any and all anti-traditional, anti-conservative, “media” sources. In other words – you seek the information that you feel fits your ideology and consider it as truth. Get it over with and MOVE to the country of your choice. Be like Cat Stevens and change your name to Mohammad Al-whatever. Buy some kneepads to go with the prayer rug (6 times a day with your head 6″ behind some guy’s dirty butt) – go for it. I’ll stay here and continue to do what our founding fathers thought was best: pursue happiness. Go on now and live amongst the hatred and violence. VERA, where’s my beer!!
August 16, 2006 at 4:09 am
Ricky… and your point is???
Why don’t you pick one that is credible and maybe then I’ll listen.
August 16, 2006 at 11:43 am
95% of the posts in this discussion are probably from racist and ignorant warmongering little kids who probably think that war is like in the video games they play all day. Do some real research first before demonizing Iran, the Middle-East, and all Muslim cultures in general.
The real war crimes in this world are pepetrated by European/Zionist/Western Global-Financial Multi-National Giant Corporations. This is what Bush and his Neo-Cons adhere to. The war in the Middle-East is about oil and militaristic occupation (go look up The Project for a New American Century).
The reason why you pathetic brainwashed morons hate the Muslims so much is because you have been conditioned by your extremely biased Controlled Media (controlled by zionist Pro-Bush liars like Rupert Murdoch). Your media is shaping your perception of the world according to the political views shared by the Zionist/Neo-fascist imperialists.
The only way you can stop this, is when you people start questioning your own government instead of waving the American Flag with blindfolds. There is nothing wrong with patriotism, but real patriots are the ones willing to question their own government’s motives. You should all do some research. It will take a while but it’s well worth it.
August 16, 2006 at 2:47 pm
Hey, folks. Doesn’t it tell you something that muslims, wherever they live, consider themselves muslims first, then citizens of whatever country second? Now, here’s a kicker: as a group, muslims are VERY patient people. If the extremists cannot blow us up or shoot us in the immediate future, no biggee. WE, if we do not eliminate our complacency, could possibly get VOTED out of a country, religion, way of life, etc. Scenario: we know the USA is a melting pot; all are welcome. Sooner or later, most likey later, a muslim candidate for some local office will be elected. He/she may do a fine job. The masses say, “Oh, they (the muslims) aren’t so bad after all.” Then more and more get elected to local, then state, then national positions, as the birthrate of muslims rises and muslim immigration continues. Next thing you know, WE’RE the minority faced living with THEIR religious rules and tenents. Far fetched? Not as much as you’d think. Look at what is happening to the Dutch. The exact thing is happening to their contry. The Dutch allowed uncontrolled immigration of muslims and now the Dutch citizens are leaving in droves because of what’s happening in THEIR country (mosques and islamic influence everywhere). Why? Because they don’t have the balls to stand up for what they established. Sound familar?
Like it or not, the USA has become the world’s defender of life, liberty, and freedom. Britain, and a few other countries when it suits them, are the only ones standing with us between life as we know it and a perverted version of a religious belief intolerant to anything but itself.
The muslims are OUR generation’s Nazis/Facists/Imperialists. Why is there unrest throughout most of the middle east and Asia? The extremist muslims want to bring back the Caliphate that once stretched from Spain across the middle east to Indonesia (Myles # 66). Why? Because of past opression? Want of political power? Loss of status? Monetary gain? Religious equality? Who knows!
The main thing is we have GOT to unite, stand together, and face this threat. We MUST stop showing a divided front to the muslims. We ARE at war and it won’t stop until one or more of three things happen: 1. Muslims reign in the extremists; 2. We fight them to a death and eliminate the threat ourselves; 3. Die/and or convert to Islam. I’ll be DAMNED if I accept option three.
Our only hope is that the ongoing bickering between Shi’a and Sunni will continue to keep them from uniting against us in a common cause: the death of the infidels. We’ve fought two fronts before, Europe and the Pacific. What makes it untenable is the tactics utilized by the extremists: no uniforms, no country, no centralized command, using civilian areas as both bases of operations and attack positions, thus providing them with human shielding. And the extremists have the audacity to call us cowards. Yeah, we’re cowards because we have respect for human life and do not target non-combatants. I wonder what they’d think if we eliminated that mind-set.
Sorrow, fellow contributors. I’ll get off of the soap box. I’m just tired, as pointed out before, of people regurgitating someone else’s rhetoric/political dogma/whatever to make “their” point. PLEASE, research, read, and learn ALL there is about what is going on around us. No, you did’t sleep through it in History class in high school/college. You won’t get the big picture unless you read numerous articles from notable experts from different countries. Anyone with half a brain will see if the view has a slant one way or the other, but there is always something in each that contributes a piece to the puzzle.
That means you: Desperado, Vera, Able Danger, Ricky, and others that the shoe fits…
August 16, 2006 at 5:03 pm
i have a question:
if he was going to blow up the world.
why would he start a blog? hmm?
if the world was ending i wouldn’t start a blog.
http://eteraz.wordpress.com/2006/08/14/iranian-president-ahmedinejad-has-a-blog/
August 16, 2006 at 10:00 pm
check out “hezbollah” at http://www.JeanValJeanLives.com
August 17, 2006 at 12:13 am
I must say, I like DJ’s lengthy post, and have one point to make.
Religion is simply a fairy tale for the weak minded. 95% of people have some religion, and this just proves that the world is just not ready for humans to evolve further, or use technology properly, etc. These religious fanatics are only worse than any religious person in the fact that they kill people to get their point across. That doesn’t mean that every religious person is not inherently evil.
Ask any person with any religion and they would LOVE to have you become part of their cult. This is just a method of control for human behavior, and money.
I think the 10 commandments are good rules to live by for instance, but i certainly don’t believe they were given by the voice of some ‘almighty’ puppet master, to some shoeless cave man on a mountain by a burning bush. anyone who does is a complete idiot and lost in their own fantasies. The same is true of anyone who believes ‘magic’ oil kept a lamp lit for 8 days, or they are going to get 72 vigins when they go to heaven.
frankly, when you die, you die and your “soul” (collection of energy from the billions of cells that make up every body) returns to the earth (or would if we werent pumped full of formaldahyde). There is no heaven for these towel heads or cross bearers or chosen people to go to. there is no hell either. This is the biggest waste of time, money and natural resources on the world’s largest persistent HOAX.
My advice to everyone here – reevaluate your world view, stop giving money to some pedophile training camp(church), terrorist camp(mosque) or law school(synagogue), and give it to some non religious charity that focuses on medicine and science and the betterment of MANKIND. it is just a fairy tale and crutch for the weak of mind and hollow of heart.
have some kids, find love within yourself instead of looking to some mother goose tales from millenia ago – when the WORLD WAS STILL FLAT.
and most importantly – melt those rag head mother fuckers down to beaded glass with a strategic nuke in every middle east capital city, pyong yang, and fuck it…paris just because those french people suck.
August 17, 2006 at 3:11 am
#92: Able Danger – for such a self-proclaimed intellectual (much smarter than us all) you sure have a poor grip on effective communication skills. In other words – who bothers to contemplate anything you have to say when it is nothing but insults and child like name-calling? Kind of wasting your time here aren’t you?
# 95: Jean, shameless self promotion….Hey wait a minute – Is this Ahmadinejad? (LOL – yea like he’d subject himself to thousands of insulting emails per day) BTW – The music gets annoying after while (unless that is psychological operations – a military tactic used to wear down the enemy). You did put some work into it (although the font is amateurish) building up to the point, which is the same regurgitated pabulum (Jews, Jews, Jews) you Nazi retread (how’s that for name calling!). #94 Now, I do like Ali’s site – “Eteraz”, nice reference to the Persian word “Protest”. BTW something we should keep in mind is that many Iranians (Persians) are pro American despite our past meddling (ahem, yes Jimmy Carter I’m referring to you). Anyway, great stuff Ali on your blog: but lustful emails? Did you get any from President Carter? He’s been known to have “looked on a lot of women with lust” (so he said). You have to excuse my fellow citizens – Customs and courtesies, once part of this country were erased after the hippies from the 1960’s moved into positions of power and influence. We’re slowly trying to recover. #96 religion is stupid: You’re a piece of work – we’re just left speechless. Actually you didn’t do too bad presenting your case until the last paragraph – was that a little demon on your shoulder speaking to you, or did your little brother finish it while you left to “smoke a rope”? – Quite odd I must say was this quote: {That doesn’t mean that every religious person is not inherently evil.}. Two things; First you spoke with a double negative subconsciously suggesting that all religious people are evil – huh? How can there be evil according to your secular view? Anyway, a few painless questions though for you the know-all-see-all: How is it possible that something (creation of life via big bang theory, etc) came from…nothing? How did the origins of life, the atoms, sub-atomic particles “know” to bond to create the elements necessary to sustain an environment with perfect balance? Where did those little atoms come from – what was there before? Smoke another one and get back to us – we eagerly await your insightful response!
August 17, 2006 at 3:21 am
Bravo DJ on an excellent well stated post.
Your point is so very well taken.
“I’m just tired, as pointed out before, of people regurgitating someone else’s rhetoric/political dogma/whatever to make “their” point. PLEASE, research, read, and learn ALL there is about what is going on around us.”
To that end may I suggest The Middle East
Media Research Institute TV Monitor Project.
The Web site is listed below. We should definitely observe and understand where the otherside is coming from so we can anticipate from where and when they will be coming at us.
http://www.memritv.org
By the way …
Vera!!! dammit woman! where’s my sandwich and brewski!!!
August 17, 2006 at 4:16 am
As a follow-up to my post (#98) also check out
Jihad Watch …verrrry interesting!
http://www.jihadwatch.org/
re Mujibar’s post #77…..
VERA! Be sure to wash your hands before making sandwiches!!!
August 17, 2006 at 2:05 pm
WOW! Able danger has bowed to Allah and wants us to embrace the peaceful, loving and wonderful muslims. Break it down Able, but know your Muslim history. Just examine Muslimsim from its onset. It goes something like this….convert, see everyone not muslim as infidel and immoral, wage war and take over the government and force Muslimism on everyone. That is Islam in a nutshell. If there is something I left please tell me. It has been going on since Mohummad came out of the cave after eating mushrooms.
Do you actually believe there can be peaceful coexistance between any other religion and Islam? They may have “ties,” with the likes of North Korea and Russia and France (Note…France is on their side because the are scared and hope by playing with them they will not take them over too),but it isn’t because of some peace boond. Islam will use the same nukes and arms it got from those countries against them, becuase they are infidels too.
Regardless of what you (anyone out there) believe (your faith), you cannot ignore facts based on history and what is happening in this very day. Islam is a Hitler in religious form. It has been since its inception and will be til we wipe it off the face of the earth. Am I pro war? Hell no. But I am not pro death by carbomb or Jetliner by some freak who thinks he is doing the will of God.
Now, another note to Danger… if the majority of Islam is for peace, love, and “Can’t we all just get along… with Vera” then why don’t they do justice (eliminate)to all those radicals within their ranks? They know who they are and where they are? If they are not teaching “True Islam,” then how come the 1. something BILLION other Islamics get rid of the all the infidels within their own ranks. You would think that if I was a TRUE ISLAMIC PERSON and someone was teaching and Islam different that TRUE ISLAM, those people would be bigger infidels. They would be in need of being killed first to rid TRUE ISLAM from such a bad rap so all the world could see how lovely and wonderful they really are.
I have the answer…because they want them to do what they are doing…rid the world of the infidel.
August 18, 2006 at 1:49 am
DJ saysHey, folks. Doesn’t it tell you something that muslims, wherever they live, consider themselves muslims first, then citizens of whatever country second?
Hmmm. I consider myself a Christian first and American second and so do 90% of the American Christians.
August 18, 2006 at 2:50 am
Peachy, I don’t think Moslems see citizenship (or civilization) as the western countries do. They are in bondage no matter where they live because their meaning of life is to prepare to be with Allah – so what does citizenship mean to them? Nothing… These folks started out as Nomads and continue to be so, whether it is North Africa or Detroit. As far as the Christian vs. American thing – Christianity is “allowed” in America (still) so you and the so called 90% better tie the two together before you will have no where to practice it. Moslems are moving forward with their agenda while Christians are shrinking back – as pacifist. The Secularist feel they are doing this country a favor by reducing the influence of Christianity but little do they know – they are creating a vacuum Islam will gladly fill.
August 18, 2006 at 4:09 am
lebanon Survives once again, But will Syria of Assad
August 18, 2006 at 4:29 am
Things are about to change.
August 18, 2006 at 12:14 pm
Eagle, good view on the vacuum affect. Whether anyone believes in God (the God of Christianity) or not the moral decline in America is clear since the removal of the base principles our founding fathers set down. I do not believe the religious freedoms they meant were for all religions, just the freedom of Christian practices. That is just my opion, since this is what they all were. They were all Chiristians of one faith or another, and they would have seen any other religion as not of God, which this county was “One nation,” under.
August 18, 2006 at 12:19 pm
One more thing…
If it is Christianity you (anyone out there) believe in, then what is happening should not be a surprise. It is written by turning your back on Him that (as a nation just like what happened to Israel) He would turn His back on you. The outcome is what we are seeing today taking place in America…Girls gone Wild…glorification of homosexuality…name it, you got it.
August 18, 2006 at 6:34 pm
Onthisnote: Although you are correct that the belief system involved with the founding of this country had Christian overtones (see Declaration Of Independence opening statement to Congress July 4, 1776), secularists played an important role as well and that was a good thing. The purpose of the Constitution was to place limits on our government’s power over her people. Amendment 1 dictates to Congress that they would make no law respecting an establishment of religion OR prohibit the exercise thereof. And that certainly leaves us with a dilemma when it comes to a clandestine religion called Islam that seeks to thwart all western governmental laws (overthrow) and replace them with the Sharia. How they do this is by migrating peacefully into western cultures and slowly begin to gain influence politically until they have enough of a majority to overrule existing laws. If they fail to do this within reasonable time terrorism is used to convince those in power to change. We saw that with the Spaniards and the French who have lost their country to the Islamic Conquest of the 21st Century. England too is currently losing to the inevitable and already referring to the city of London as Londonistan. And finally the Province of Ontario, Canada has authorized the use of Sharia law in civil arbitrations – a foot in the door. Here in the United States, in order to stave off this invasion to OUR way of life we will at some point have to declare Islam not a religion, but a dangerous cult or political movement such as Nazism to ban it. I doubt it will happen, but if it does, this will occur way too late and my guess is that the liberal feel good types will instead opt to either ban all religions or establish a certain type (like a world religion – hello Revelations) as legitimate and legal. This can and will happen after an event causes martial law and the suspension of the Constitution’s Amendments. My guess is this event will mirror what we see in Iraq today, a model of the future to come because we are a divided people today.
August 18, 2006 at 9:34 pm
man,,,,he is like a worker,,,,,,, juste litsen the order not giving the order,,,,,witch he should do it!
August 18, 2006 at 10:02 pm
I’m sure I’ll be blasted by some for saying what I’m about to say, but those doing the blasting weren’t in the taxi with me (I’ll get to that at the end).
Some say the majority of Muslims want peace and shun war while others say they’re a bunch hell bent on the complete destruction of the West.
Other than the fact that there seems to be so many Muslims who blow up innocent civilians as they go about the daily life chores of earning a living, caring for children, and trying to have a little fun, I cannot get past the way a vast number of Muslim men treat and regard women.
Although, I’m sure there are some who will try, you can’t blame that on a vast conspiracy perpetuated by the American government.
As an American woman whose sisters have fought long and hard for the rights we enjoy today, I have a big problem with Muslim men. I don’t want to wear a burqa because some guy thinks of sex when he looks at me. That’s his problem, not mine. I don’t want to cover my body and face in extreme heat because some guy thinks of sex when he looks at me. I don’t want acid thrown at me because some guy looked at me and my brother took offense to it and blamed me for it. This is everyday life for too many women in Muslim countries.
I will not see my daughters treated like this and, if necessary, I will do anything I can to prevent it.
This is where the blasting will come in as I hear how: A) Muslim women are highly regarded because the religion says women are to be revered or B) western women are abused too.
My answer to A)is that what might be in the Quran isn’t necessarily practiced and B)while there are some American women who suffer horrendous abuse, we prosecute the scum who beat them instead of pat them on the back.
So, to the people out there who think our Government is the evil entity in this struggle, I wish you could have been in the taxi with me going from Lawton, Oklahoma to Will Roger’s Airport in Oklahoma City. (I was visiting my mom who had just been given 6 weeks to live with a diagnosis of brain cancer.)
The taxi driver was a young man from Bangladesh who had come to the US on a student visa, dropped out of college with a semester to go because his grants ran out, and was working to support his wife and daughter. He went back to Bangladesh to marry his wife, a first cousin, and had a little girl when back in the US.
This young man almost had a heart attack when I sat in the front seat of the van (bucket seats) but he let it go. We proceeded to talk about life in the US compared to his country and got on the topic of daughters. He said that daughters need to be severely controlled because of their evil tendencies. I told him that as far as Americans go, especially American dads, we view the young guys dating our daughters as the ones who need to be controlled. I joked about it. He didn’t.
He continued to say that, present company excluded, most American women dress like sluts and therefore they’re treated like sluts (who else does that sound like – Deepak Kalpoe?). Ever been to Europe? Whether one agrees with the way women in this century dress or not, American women dress more conservatively than the women in most other countries. It’s just another example of the excuses Muslims will use in their quest to take the West down.
I love my life in this Country. While not perfect, it’s the best game going as far as I’m concerned. I don’t want to live in a socialist country, a communist country, or a Muslim dominated country. I like it here. To those who don’t, look around and find some place that you do like and move there. You’ll be happier and we will be, too.
August 19, 2006 at 3:53 am
A little off topic here but I have to know something,are there alot of out of country T.V. channels broadcast in the U.S.?I know that every U.S. news station seems to be awfully biased.Here in Canada for example,this weekend they’re showing a documentary on how people first became infected with aids.Would’nt you know aids came fron vaccines!!Now I’m not pointing the finger at anyone’s government but….I’d have to say the U.N along with the U.S. were somewhat responsible!!No conspiracy theory here,CHECK THE FACTS!!
August 19, 2006 at 4:02 am
Americanwoman, you said it all.
Thank God we live in a country where there are no limits on what we can achieve by our own hard work and ability.
We have come a long way ,through many trying times (the Civil Rights Movement, Womens Lib,
Recession and the current political battles between liberals ,conservatives republicans,democrats ,what have you). We came through it over and over again and it makes us stronger and better as a nation.
Growing up , I loved to watch Superman on TV .
He stood for “Truth ,Justice and the American Way”.
As Americans, we all do . It is part of our national fabric, it is our credo. It is what makes us great as a country and as a “People”.
If we don’t like what the President says or does ,we can say so without fear that there will be a knock on the door in the middle of the night.
We can vote ,practice the religion of our choice or no religion ,raise a family ,live the life we choose as long as it doesn’t infringe on the rights of our neighbor. The guidelines we follow are our conscience, good taste and the Golden Rule.
If our country is so evil ,so contemptable, if we are the Infidels, why are all these foreigners coming here?
My father was a WWII vet. He fought with the 100th Infantry Division in France and Germany. The Dedication from their website is as follows:
Dedicated to
the Soldiers of the 100th Infantry Division
who, loving Life, wedded Death
so that Freedom could remain
immortal.
We as a people are the most generous on the face of the earth .We are a beacon for freedom loving peoples everywhere. While we are patient and slow to anger ,we are The force to be reconned with should we be pushed too far.
August 19, 2006 at 6:46 am
Sex, Lies and Call Girls: Why the U.S. Media Is a Whore
August 19, 2006 at 6:51 am
#109 Americanwoman: Thanks for the down to earth posting. It sure is interesting how the feminists have stayed quiet about that very subject (Moslems treatment of women). I would REALLY like to know what the real reason is for the deafening silence – why the mutiny against the very thing they fought for. The only one (feminist)who seems close to standing up to radical Islam is (God forgive me) Hillary – but is that only a political move?
#111Big Jake: I’m with ya brother.
#108 barham…You either need a better translator website or slow down on the opium.
#110 Ricky the Hoser: I wouldn’t say any of that is off YOUR topic since all of your other post (as I review them) are saying the same thing basically, eh: You have a boner for the United States and all this so called propaganda, ahem, I mean information that you seek out supports your theory that we are well, just bad people! You said earlier that Islam isn’t violent – and yet right in your back yard was a recent terrorist plot targeting Toronto and Ottawa. A bomb 3 times the size of the one used in Oklahoma City was to be detonated at a Canadian institution, to affect the Canadian economy and kill the Canadian people (who are mostly anti-US ironically enough). Anyway, I think we GET IT that you folks up north have this hatred (not all of course) mostly due to jealousy and liberalism (a mental disorder). BTW most of us don’t care what you guys think of us by now. But if you REALLY want to know facts these days (when anyone sitting at a computer dressed only in their underwear can put up a website with FrontPage), you need to hear from both sides and see things RATIONALLY. AIDS I’m sure was man made, BUT it wasn’t what you, Jeff Rense, and all the conspiracy propagandist spew out. It had more to do with Bionetics and researchers making bad mistakes in their quest to find a cure for Cancer using monkees and viruses to see if the cancer is caused and/or spread by viruses.
http://www.serendipity.li/more/cantwell.htm
August 19, 2006 at 11:34 am
Hi people, i’m from Turkey.
check this documentary to have an idea about what is going on.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5946593973848835726&q=loose+change
make wars to keep your country exist as one piece. but don’t make it personal.
this much hatred against muslims causes you seem like odd animals.
August 19, 2006 at 3:11 pm
Oh yes THE EAGLE mr. know-it-all!!Is your name Glenn Beck by chance?
August 19, 2006 at 6:53 pm
Just some info. News out today of large Iranian miltary operation. Land, sea and air.
Heads up???
August 19, 2006 at 10:57 pm
This one’s for you Ricky,
As an addendum to Eagle’s post #113
Why suspects dropped Parliament plot
By JIM BRONSKILL
OTTAWA (CP) – An alleged plot to take MPs hostage on Parliament Hill was abandoned at an early stage because the people involved – who hail from southern Ontario – knew little about Ottawa, The Canadian Press has learned.
The accused conspirators are being interrogated about any possible plans to attack targets in the United States or links to sympathizers south of the border, sources also indicate. The public was shocked to hear a group arrested on terrorism-related charges had supposedly planned to storm Parliament, seize politicians and behead the prime minister.
BEHEAD THE PRIME MINISTER,EH! Islam may or may not be violent depending on the interpretation of “violent” and the motives and fervor of the individual followers whoever they may be.
August 19, 2006 at 11:47 pm
As manufactured terror alerts, magnified turmoil in the Middle East, and dire proclamations that doomsday is approaching all converge at the end of the summer of 2006, the twist in the story is likely to be a massive staged terror attack that will smother any remaining voices of descent and once again leave America transfixed in an orgy of militarism, paranoia and fear.
The targets of the subsequent frenzied police state clampdown will be the traitors who questioned their government’s motivations in the war on terror and blocked Bush’ path in protecting the American people.
Alex Jones has only made one previous prediction that he was overwhelmingly sure would come to pass. In July 2001, Jones launched ‘Operation Expose the Government Terrorists,’ a desperate late attempt to focus activism around raising awareness of an imminent massive terror attack that would be blamed on the patsy Osama bin Laden.
Unfortunately that foresight came home to roost on September 11 and we now find ourselves in similar peril five years later.
On his August 10th show, Alex Jones broadcast a warning that we would soon see, “bone-shattering mega attacks in the United States, Canada, England or Israel.”
The time frame for the attacks is within 2 months – the biggest risk being before the middle of October but at least before the mid-term elections in November.
“The prelude to a new mega attack or a string of large attacks – leading up to that – I predicted that they would have five to ten staged busts of terrorists,” said Jones.
The watershed success of the 9/11 truth movement in obtaining national exposure has been met with a fierce backlash from the establishment in the form of nationwide editorials on cue, almost as if uniformly timed, that attack 9/11 skeptics with straw man smear campaign arguments. In addition, an increase in alleged foiled terror alerts serves two purposes, to shift attention away from the increasingly high profile 9/11 truth information and secondly to construct the story board to which the next real attack will be pinned.
‘Look, we protected you from all those attacks but we just couldn’t stop them all – it was the peaceniks and the civil libertarians who prevented us going all the way and keeping America safe – they are to blame for major cities being dirty bombed and others biologically poisoned.’
The baseless terror raids, besides acting as PR for delusional fearmongering and the perception that terrorists are hiding under every bed, also creates a chilling effect whereby the government is sending a message to anyone that doesn’t display the proper modicum of obedience and fails to salute the war on terror.
‘We can grab you off the street or from your own home at our own convenience and incarcerate you – without having to present any evidence to justify it.’
Some have suggested that Fox News’ mention of Alex Jones’ warning (watch above) is sufficient advance protection to offset the coming attack. However, coverage of the warning needs to be infinitely more widespread in order to have any impact. The 9/11 Blogger website has put together an activist page that provides information on how people can help us mobilize to try and prevent what government officials and their apologists have told us is inevitable.
Disturbing developments such as the smearing of 9/11 truth activists as terrorist sympathizers and the surveillance and wanton random arrests and beatings of alternative news journalists act as a red flag to denote preparation for a martial law crackdown in the wake of a new synthetic terror attack.
The beta test for this tactic was the 1995 Oklahoma City Bombing, a false flag event that almost obliterated the burgeoning Patriot Movement. In the immediate aftermath of the attack the patsy, Timothy McVeigh, was linked with “far-right militia groups” that talked about the Constitution and federal encroachment on God-given rights. Though no mass sweeps took place, the chilling effect was enough to send a great deal of activists into the shadows – or worse many sold out and became frothing Neo-Cons as soon as Bush got into office.
That same chilling effect is again being employed and applied not just to paleoconservatives – but to anyone who dares dissent against the Neo-Fascist agenda. Even democratically elected moderate anti-war candidates such as Ned Lamont, hardly a George Washington, and his supporters, are being accused of supporting Al-Qaeda by the drooling maniacs who act as PR whores for the Bushists. Though on the face of it this kind of rhetoric – the notion that thousands of citizens in Connecticut ticked Lamont’s box because they thought it would help Osama bin Laden – is patently schizophrenic, the mere repetition of the big lie is enough for many to zealously uphold its orthodoxy.
In addition to network news TV shows, reports of Neo-Con cheerleaders on the radio framing anyone who questions 9/11 as having an ‘Al Qaeda mind set’ are beginning to filter in. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see where all this is potentially heading – directly to a Homeland Security labor camp unless we stand up and point the finger at the real freedom loathing terrorists.
We should not consider ourselves outside of the scope of a regime that always links its next victims with Al-Qaeda as an excuse to decapitate them from the political spectrum.
Alex Jones’ warning of a monumental staged terror attack, creating the pretext to air strike Iran, and its subsequent ramifications for freedom-exercising citizens and truth activists in the western world, is a piercing light through the veil of deception and needs to be echoed around the four corners of the globe if we are to stand a chance of saving America from the grip of a vampiric Neo-Fascist horror show.
August 20, 2006 at 12:04 am
To the eagle,as far as calling me a “hoser” which of the 29 definitions are you referring to?Actually I was born in Brockton, Mass. and my family just happens to be a prominent political family there!I just choose to live in a better country for my kids.
August 20, 2006 at 12:05 am
To the eagle,as far as calling me a “hoser” Actually I was born in Brockton, Mass. it’s just that Canada for now is a much better country in which to live!
August 20, 2006 at 2:55 am
August 22 will come and go with no big events. Ahmadinajad is full of hyper-rhetoric. Too bad the Israelis had to pull out of Lebanon — we should have let them fight it out. That’s the only thing that will end this whole deal.
As for Iran trying something, in the long run, it would be better if they did. We need to get this war (make no mistake, that’s what it is) over with — and the only way to do that with religious zealots raised to believe heaven is a simple IED away is to kill them.
Bottom f-ing line, if we want our way of life to continue we have to have it out. Bring it on, Iran!
August 20, 2006 at 3:46 am
Able Danger is right. You people have a very subjective view of world affairs. You seem to buy into that whole “You are either with us or with the terrorists” propaganda that the Neo-Cons have been promoting through their media ever since 9/11 happened. If you actually investigated 9/11, you will see that it was a government false-flag operation ran by elements within the United States Government in order to use it as a pretext to invade the Middle East. Who here has ever heard of the Project for a New American Century? Those are government papers you can actually research.
There are Muslim extremists out there. Nobody will deny that. That is a fact. However, what you need to know is how they became extremist in the first place. A lot of their extremist ideologies are a result of U.S./Israel foreign policies. You people are brainwashed sheep who have no real understanding of what is going on behind the scenes. Do some research before deciding to post anti-muslim comments. Your one-sided comments are also potentially misleading to anyone who reads them. Be responsible before you post.
August 20, 2006 at 4:11 am
Guys,
Any comments on AnotherMAD from Turkey ’s post
#114?
I looked at the film twice .As far as motive, opportunity and money trail, I find it very disturbing. Any info on whether this has been investigated and debunked?
August 20, 2006 at 4:12 am
AnotherMAD from Turkey: Films can and are full of falsehoods and half-truths conveniently suited for the director’s image or belief. So that stuff is garbage – besides, since when are Islamics concerned with one of the 10 commandments “thou shalt not lie”? Moslems see this thing we call a lie as a tool to trick the infidel. And war has NOT kept this country together. It has caused a split that the Islamic propagandists are taking advantage of. We don’t have hatred for Moslems (notice the CORRECT spelling) just a determination to defeat the Islamic Conquest and help you to reform your religion by removing the call to Jihad for Allah’s sake. Rickee: Maybe you moved across the border to avoid the charges of plagiarism: http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2006/170806declarewar.htm
Look, paraphrase the damn article instead of copying it. As far as your claim that you have a prominent political family in the Commonwealth of Mass-of-two-shitts, I wouldn’t see that as something to be proud of, as you already voted with your feet. We’re happy you’re there too – sleep in the bed you make. Rage: yes, A-MAD-jiHAD’s August 22nd plan is to wipe with the other hand and spread Hepatitis E to all the media idiots like Mike Wallace. Bubblerz: Gee thanks for straightening out the millions of us idiots. I just can’t for the life of me understand why Moslems are killing Moslems in countries like Indonesia, and the Indians over Kashmir, and the Africans in Darfur (over 100,000 killed so far this year (catching up to McDonalds’ number of people served), the Philippines, Sri Lanka, etc etc. Nowhere is the United States or the hated Jewish country (by Nazi organizations like the Muslim Brotherhood) involved. In fact Islam has been raping and murdering for 1,300 years as history reveals. But you’re right – we are brainwashed sheep (or so you’d like to think – sheep led to Allah’s slaughterhouse).
August 20, 2006 at 4:26 am
I have to wonder if anyone was around when all of this was set in stone, hand written down for the very first time before any of it was ever published for all to read and take into their own matters. No one knows exactly what will happen or when it will happen. I like to put this subject on the back of my mind and go on with my day, without worrying so much..worrying if today is the day the United States is attacked, nuked, what have you. I think the only way to guarantee our safety is to quit dicking around and to take action. How? I have no idea. I’m not a master mind at any of this. I just know I’m tired of hearing about innocent lives being taken, and I’m certainly tired of hearing about possible attacks..huge attacks.. on America. I know nothing I say has power or even matters to anyone else, but I think it’s about time my thoughts on this situation came out to play. So seriously, how can anyone take something written hundreds or thousands of years ago and think it will actually happen. I know none of us could have witnessed the actual writing of it. And I know people believe the Bible, the Koran, and everything else..and live by it all, and expect what it says. But how can we be sure? There are so many religions…which one is the true one? Which religion has the true ending?
August 20, 2006 at 5:25 am
just to clarify my post..it was a hypothetical statement. i’m not questioning which religion is real, which god is real, which piece of information is real. just take it into consideration. i’m a big picture type of person.
August 20, 2006 at 5:34 am
its so easy to sit here and blast each other anonymously on web…. look what we have become. america sits in her seat of untouchable power and if she remains like that she will fall. if we turn our backs on israel, we will fall. i don’t hate muslims. i don’t believe the same as they do, but i do not hate them. i don’t hate anyone. hate is the same as murder. the world is changing and we all have to roll with the punches. we can’t change the climate for the whole world, but we can help change it for those near us. share the message of love. let God’s love shine through you. we are at the end. as someone said earlier, i can’t “prove my beliefs with fact”, but i do have faith. we all have faith. you don’t know, but you believe that the lights in your home will come on when you flip the switch. thats faith. examine your heart. find out where you fit in this jumbo sized jig-saw we call life, and just make the best of it. love
August 20, 2006 at 5:58 am
Okay, and I’m sure everyone wants to know what and how I believe..maybe not, but for those who like to tell me what I believe, what I am scared of, and who I am basically, and how to live my life..I’m a believer of the Christian Bible. I have my own thoughts, and if everyone else can come on here and say what they have to say, then so can I. I’m not blasting anyone..there are no references to anyone in my posts. And I’m not saying anyone is wrong. I’m just throwing the obvious ..if any.. out into the open for insomniacs such as myself.
August 20, 2006 at 6:09 am
You guys are a buncha functioning retards, sooo American. Read a history book and stop watching and reading your local TV and papers. SHEESH!
August 20, 2006 at 6:13 am
To all you Chosen Ones (cause you look so good) and Bible Thumpers, answer me this? If religion was created by GOD (omnipotent et al.) and not man, why no mention of the dinosaurs? Hmm, why? M’kay?
August 20, 2006 at 3:50 pm
Very interesting blog.
Americanwoman–I have been researching the horrific plight of the Iranian women and the thought of living, as a woman, under such a monstrous system send chills down my spine. It is for this reason, the Iranian women and children, that I couldn’t just say “let’s nuke ‘em or neutron them”….can’t we just find out where the aMAD Hatter is and selectively nuke him and his fascist clerics at their genocidal tea party????
On the flip side, when it comes to choosing the Iranian women or children over American women and children, there’s no contest. If we have to wipe out the country for our survival, so be it.
Eagle and Big Jake–
I’m locked and loaded, I make a mean pot of chili (forget sandwiches ’cause you boys are real men LOL), and I love a few good brewskis…so you can tell Vera she can stay in the kitchen.
August 20, 2006 at 4:14 pm
worriedsince16–
I would be lying if I said I wasn’t concerned with all that is going on in the world. I have young children; I have dreams that I am aspiring to accomplish and certainly don’t want the world to end. I am a christian and I know the Bible well.
Prophecy says that the world will end. I do not believe that armageddon will happen August 22nd; SOMETHING may happen that day but it won’t be armageddon. Not yet, at least. War will have to break out in a huge way because before armageddon, the man of the hour (Antichrist), will have to come onto the scene. He will cause peace to be established in the middle east, it will be enforced, and the world will look to him as its savior. Prophecy says this man will rule for 7 YEARS before the great war, armageddon, is brought about. I believe aMAD Hatter, who thinks by causing chaos in the world he is paving the way for the 12th prophet, Imam Mahdi, is actually paving the way for the Antichrist. I find it quite interesting that according to the prophecy of Imam Mahdi, when he “returns” he is supposed to rule the earth for 7 YEARS, making the world an Islamic state and purging it of infidels.
Some christians believe that there will be a rapture of the christian church before the Antichrist can be revealed. I guess as far as that belief is concerned, if it happens, great. If not, well, we’re going to be in for a really rough time…
It is frightening to realize world events and the Islamic fascists are beyond our control as ordinary people. The only thing we can do is turn to God for peace in our hearts, knowing that, in the end, all will be made right; nothing happens that He does not allow to happen. And if you don’t know how to defend yourself and your family, you might want to learn….
In the meantime, live everyday as if it were your last. If you love life, then LIVE!
August 20, 2006 at 5:43 pm
Red Dawn,
Welcome aboard.
Can’t wait to get a bowl of that chili.
“The only thing we can do is turn to God for peace in our hearts, knowing that, in the end, all will be made right; nothing happens that He does not allow to happen”. Amen
Have Faith , live a Courageous life, cherish your Freedom, help your friends, Love your family .And don’t forget to have a sense of humor!
One for All ,All for One.
AMERICA!
E PLURIBUS UNUM.
August 20, 2006 at 6:30 pm
Big Jake-
Just made a huge pot of chili yesterday for me and my husband and some friends so we could all sit down and watch some pre-season football. God I love this country!
You know chili’s always better on the second day so I’ll be right over with it!
On a less gloomy note, I believe we could topple the Iranian government as easily as we toppled the Afghan or Iragi government. I’m sure the women over there, at least the educated ones, would be thrilled. Hey, maybe we need to put the girls in power over there—guys, I’ve found the solution! Let’s topple all of the middle eastern moslem governments and put women in control. I’m sure they would be far more inclined to avoid war and chaos because women naturally want better for their children. Oh, wait…the moslems have to have someone to fight, so I suppose the moslem men would make jihad on the moslem women…well, now, THAT could work!
I know, I know, how politically incorrect.
August 20, 2006 at 7:08 pm
I think he’s going to push the button. He said it loud and clear:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,205883,00.html
August 20, 2006 at 7:33 pm
I don’t believe he has a “button” to push just yet.
Even if he did, Israel would obliterate Iran. They could obliterate every country in the middle east if they so desired.
I hope the Iranian leadership is not so delusional as to truly think they could take on Israel or the U.S.in any major way without being destroyed.
August 20, 2006 at 8:04 pm
Red Dawn,
I believe that Golda Meir said that there would be no peace in the middle east until Arab mothers loved their children more than they hated Israeli children. Pretty sad ,Huh?
By the way – Is that 3 alarm chili?
MMMMMMM…MMMM! say hello to Hubby for me .
August 20, 2006 at 9:12 pm
Bubblerz… If US/Israeli foreign policy is to blame for the Islamic extremest, then explain the Islamic extremist before America ever existed? Don’t be an ostrich, look at life in the eyes of an Israeli. They live in a country which was theirs before they were driven out and then returned to them. They are surrounded by nations which hate them and have tried to rid the area of them ever since. So, explain to all of us here what you think their foreign policy should be or better yet exactly which of their foreign policies you have a problem with…maybe it is self-preservation.
Israel attacks when it is attacked. It never prevokes, just defends…which it does quite well. They have to. Granted, they may get jumpy and preemptive but with good reason. Fear instilled from past attacks by its neighbors. If they did not, then they would be over run, killed and/or driven out yet again. People may not like the “Jews,” since they “own everything.” If this is the case, get off your ass and be a better doctor, lawyer, scientist or business person. They succeed because they want to. They have contributed more to your life now than any other nationality.
It would be sad to have to eliminate an entire people. However, it is those people who are trying to eliminate us. If there were history of peaceful coexistance between Islam and any other religion, we would not even be discussing this topic. The problem is there isn’t. They seek destruction to every infidel. It is either convert or be killed. This is what they do.
As far as going in and taking out the Iranian government, we could do that just as we did in Afgan and Iraq. The failure to this mentality is, “How long will relations last?” Sure they (The US supported govs of those lands) are “with us,” but in their hearts they are not. They loathe us. We did what they could not do themselves.
The people there were glad to see us come. We freed them from oppression; an oppression they have lived under longer than any of them have been around for. Yet, they still do not like us because we do not believe as they do. We are still infidels.
Bubblerz, if you were trapped and dying, and I came along you would be happy to see me. That is until I rescued you. Then you would go about your marry way and talk shit about me and tell your friends how you were just about freed when this brainwashed sheep helped you.
August 20, 2006 at 9:39 pm
I’m adopting Eagle’s method of reply:
#113 Eagle – NOW lost any credibility they had when they didn’t come out on record against President Clinton’s antics. Had Clinton been a Republican, we would have seen NOW blast him to the moon and back and everyone knows it. They are an ethically bankrupt group.
#111 Big Jake – I’m not a regular church goer, but I do believe in a higher being and I try to live my life by the 10 commandments. If everyone did that, this world would be in much better shape. Like you, I watched those Superman shows along with Batman and my favorite, Underdog. I love this Country and go back to saying to those who don’t … find some place you like better and move there. Stop trying to change this Country. Most of us like it the way it is. If you don’t, it’s okay, we’ll let you leave.
#120 Ricky – I’ll give you credit that you found a place you liked better than the US and you moved there. (I’ll give you a call when I need cheaper meds and you can give me a call when you need elective surgery.) Call the media in this country whatever you want but I can watch CNN, Fox, ABC, NBC, and CBS and get 3 different sides of an issue. Tell me how many sides of an issue Al-Jazz gives its viewers. In America, Hezbollah sympathizers can take to the streets in protest, burn our flag, say anything they want about our political leaders and live to tell about it. How long do you think an American doing the same in Tehran would last? In addition, these countries treat the carpet they wipe their filthy boots on better than they treat their women. If you were female, that might actually make you think twice about your opinions.
#131 – Red Dawn – yes it does send chills down the spine but I’m not afraid. I won’t wear their burqas, face scarves, robes, and anything else they think women need to be covered with. If things ever get to that point, they’ll be on the receiving end of guerilla warfare.
August 20, 2006 at 11:39 pm
Americanwoman–
I’m not afraid either. I’ll do ANYTHING to protect my two daughters from beasts like that. America originated the concept of “guerilla warfare” during the American Revolution. Back then, there were only 1/3 of Americans (the others too afraid to fight or siding with the British empire) who fought that war and we sent the world’s biggest empire packing. I hope that the moslems who wish to destroy this country realize that, for all the POLITICALLY INCORRECT American sheep that are out there wanting to “turn the other cheek” and who want to have “dialog” with the crazies realize that the ones who were willing to fight and die for our liberation in the revolution are still ALIVE and WELL today.
August 21, 2006 at 12:14 am
EAGLE ,AMERICANWOMAN,RED DAWN and all other interested parties:
Check this out. God Bless the USA
http://www.faithflashes.com/withyou.html
August 21, 2006 at 12:53 am
Red Dawn: I appreciate the comment. I am one who was raised in believing that there will be two “raptures” (although the word “rapture is not mentioned in my Bible-it is said to be the coming of Christ). The first coming of Christ (according to my Bible) will occur on a day when not only the Arab nations, but China and Russia and several other countries, excluding the States, will attack Israel. This marks the end of the church age. After the first coming, the seven years of tribulation follow..and as you said this is the time of the Antichrist. The Lord will come “down” a second time..and during this time he is to rule the world for 1,000 years and Satan is to be bound for 1,000 years. After these 1,000 years, there will be a judgement day. I can honestly say I am not entirely estute on the matter..if that isn’t obvious..which I’m sure it is. I know only of the armegeddon, not when it is to occur. I like to live believing what I have been taught for two reasons: one- I don’t like change..so basically, I wouldn’t adapt to believing otherwise and two- for comfort reasons. I like to believe that I, along with thousands others, will be taken from this earth before wars greater than anyone can fathom and the reigning of the Antichrist. Thank you for responding.
August 21, 2006 at 3:08 am
Worriedsince16… Who does like change, unless it makes us feel good. Being comfy is the place to be, also. On a real note, I would like to offer you these words of advice. It would be nice to be taken away before any real trouble shows itself. That is comfort and also reassuring. However, on the downside to this, if it does not happen then what? I can only say this. Do not lose your faith. People teach alot of different ideology. The main thing to remember is that it will be your faith which saves you. If being a Christian is real to you, then do not allow a teaching which only started in the late 1800’s be the basis of your last stand. God treated Israel badly for turning away from Him, but He never truly abandoned them. They went through everything and it was for purification and to bring them back to Him. In the event the church does not go, look to the lessons of Israel and stay steadfast. The Bible says many will lose their lives, but those who stay steadfast He will deliver.
Just my thought, but I think that if the rapture does not happen it will cause alot of “Chirstians,” to question “What else was I taught that is not correct?” If you believe everything the Bible says is true in what is going to take place, then it is going to get worse than anyone could imagine. This will be the shaking which Christ spoke of.
On the other hand, if none of it is true and there is no religion shit sure looks scary anyway you look at it.
I agree with my fellow poster here, just live your days the best you can, provide for your children and teach them to the best of your abilities. If the push of Islam or China or any other comes to my door they better expect NOT to get a kind welcome. I will defend my family with every last breath.
August 21, 2006 at 3:17 am
So Iran wants to wipe out Israel so the world can have another Islamic state. That’s all we DON’T need, another bastion of Islamic fascists to spread more hatred and murder! The enemies of Israel, throughout history, have shown over and over and over again how utterly stupid it is to shake their fist at God!
August 21, 2006 at 4:04 am
Big Jake–
That was beautiful.
worriedsince16–
I’m not sure how it all plays out, but I AM quite sure that the victor won’t be Imam Madhi riding a flying horse named Burqa.
Stay strong, stay true, reach out to all your people around you. Our God will not let us down. Be at peace, my friend. When the time comes, a better time will be at hand.
August 21, 2006 at 4:11 am
Onthisnote: that is my question a lot. I often wonder if any of it really will happen..if the Word is being translated correctly. I try to stay strong in my faith..and usually I do an excellent job. The only time it is ever faulted is at church..I often find myself questioning the pastor in my head..throwing questions at him..”What if you are wrong?” and “What makes you think you know how and when it will happen?” Childish questions..maybe. But they come to my mind every Sunday. The only thing he ever preaches about anymore is the rapture. His persistence causes me to question. Every Sunday morning and evening I can expect to question my faith..but any other time during the week, I am as strong as ever.
August 21, 2006 at 4:12 am
Long live Israel and the people of the free states…America, Canada, Britain, Australia…all the rest. We are brethern.
August 21, 2006 at 4:17 am
worriedsince16–
I have been through what you are describing with a pastor that placed too much emphasis on the rapture. If you are saved, you are saved. Period. We do nothing to merit this. There is not an invisible line drawn the way you live your life…if you belong to Him, you belong to Him.
Do not second guess.
August 21, 2006 at 5:01 am
Thought you’d like to read some simple American philosophy
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Memorable John Wayne Quotes:
“Sure I wave the American flag. Do you know a better flag to wave? Sure I love my country with all her faults. I’m not ashamed of that, never have been, never will be. I was proud when President Nixon ordered the mining of Haiphong Harbor, which we should have done long ago, because I think we’re helping a brave little country defend herself against Communist invasion. That’s what I tried to show in The Green Berets and I took plenty of abuse from the critics.” – John Wayne
John T. Chance (Rio Bravo):
“Sorry don’t get it done, Dude.”
Sergeant John M. Stryker (Sands of Iwo Jima):
“A lot of guys make mistakes, I guess, but every one we make, a whole stack of chips goes with it. We make a mistake, and some guy don’t walk away – forevermore, he don’t walk away.”
John Bernard Books (The Shootist):
“I won’t be wronged, I won’t be insulted, and I won’t be laid a hand on. I don’t do these things to other people and I expect the same from them.”
Ringo Kid (Stagecoach):
“Well, there are some things a man just can’t run away from.”
Hondo Lane (Hondo):
“I don’t guess people’s hearts got anything to do with a calendar.”
Hondo Lane (Hondo):
“Yup. The end of a way of life. Too bad. It’s a good way. Wagons forward! Yo!”
Capt. Rockwell Torrey (In Harm’s Way):
“All battles are fought by scared men who’d rather be some place else.”
Colonel Madden (Back to Bataan):
“This kind of war, you’ve gotta believe in what you’re fighting for.”
Tom Doniphon (The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance):
“Out here a man settles his own problems.”
Duke Gifford (Operation Pacific):
“He was a good man. Make sure that it says so on the patrol report.”
Tom Dunson (Red River):
“Every time you turn around expect to see me. ‘Cause one time you’ll turn around and I’ll be there, and I’ll kill you, Matt.”
Marshall J.D. Cahill (Cahill, U.S. Marshall):
“Cause even grown men need understanding.”
Col. Michael Kirby (The Green Berets):
“Out here, due process is a bullet.”
Col. David Crockett (The Alamo):
“Republic. I like the sound of the word.”
August 21, 2006 at 5:34 am
to myles.
havn’t they ever taught you that Allah is Yhwy, who is G-d?
to mechadrum, I don’t agree with you up until the part about scripture. yea, yea, the end of the world is gonna happen soon, we should all kinda just get over it. but Jews were very similar to the muslims. Yhwy helped them many times in battle against peoples who did not claim Him as their god, or people that stood in the way of the Israelites on their way to the promised land.
sorry that this post is so late. I just found this article. and also my appologies to the two people I called out, if someone before me did this already.
August 21, 2006 at 7:27 am
“T” minus one day!!!! I think back to Harry Callahan who said, “Go ahead…Make my day!” And for all the pacifist – the great words of wisdom from Rodney King, “Can’t we all, jist git along?!” No Rodney, some people just want to riot, kill, and burn things to the ground…
#125 Worriedsince16: You REALLY should worry more about safety behind the wheel of a car as 45,000 people die each year in this country alone. (Hopefully that should put your concerns in order) PS: 1.5 MG of Melatonin should help you with your insomnia…
#127 weasel187: If someone murdered your loved one would you really equate that with someone who hates but does nothing physical? Just a rhetorical question…
#130 Kanook: Religion was created by man – God’s word was there before man, before this world, before the beginning of what we call time, and even before Canada where all the Dinosaurs still live and sometimes work…
.#132 Red Dawn – Yes!! Let’s go for the Chili! As far as the world coming to an end – the rebirth will occur. As a Christian you know that God has already won the great battle. With that in mind, I would rather make the spiritual transition (we call death) fighting evil than wasting away in a hospital at 99 years of age. If it is peace we are looking for, we can only achieve this through strength and determination to fight those who threaten us whether it is President AmadHater, or criminals taking over our neighborhoods…
#135 Kike el hombre: He said Israel hit the self-destruct button with the Lebanon invasion. Hey, Israel didn’t hit Lebanon that hard. Actually, by backing off they are allowing the world to see how ineffective the UN (Useless Nations) is in dealing with this problem so they can later on take Syria out as well. Don’t forget also that the Arabs (Iranians are Persians) are VERY worried about Iran’s growing influence. So I don’t think the Iranian leader is firing on all cylinders.
#139 Americanwoman: Thanks for fixing my reply method – the spaces look better! Nice valid points as well!
#140 Red Dawn: OBL had stated “I say to you William (Defence Secretary) that: These youths (Islamics) love death as you loves life.”
This was obviously years before our invasion (Afghanistan/Iraq) where he laughed at Clinton’s retreat from Mogadishu.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/terrorism/international/fatwa_1996.html
It was the precursor to what we now call 9/11 – something that happened BECAUSE we were thought of as weak. He NEVER thought Americans would react as we have because he (like most other Islamofacist) doesn’t understand Americans. While the news media shows the weak amongst us to the world, the strong quietly wait for the word…..GO!
#141 Big Jake: Very nice, TY
#143 Onthisnote: Very well put! Remember (worriedsince16) that it is about your relationship with HIM more so than anything else – worry not, trust in Him.
#144 J. Brown: Yea. Not a good thing to be on God’s bad side – Let’s just hope this country doesn’t turn against Israel as we too will be cursed.
August 21, 2006 at 12:34 pm
I haven’t seen (or recall) anyone providing links for a comparison of our Bible and the Koran. Try this one: http://www.lamblion.com/New08.php.
It’s very informative, but does contain some typical, conservative, “the-devil-is-behind-Islam” rhetoric. But, hey, you should expect that. What is interesting is the “thumb-nail” history of Mohammed, his “revelations,” how his works were compiled, and then how he “adjusted” the very tenents that he developed.
This is just a “Reader’s Digest” version of the events and someone has to have by now written an excellent expose on Mohammed, his life, and the Koran. I, by no means, consider it definitive; just a morsel to whet your appetite for more information.
So, which of the below fits you:
“The truth is out there.”
“The truth shall set you free.”
“You can’t handle the truth!”
August 21, 2006 at 2:07 pm
Regards to you All,
For those of you who are offended by Islam please refer to the real sources to learn about that beautiful religion rather than looking at extremist practistioners who we muslims dont regard as muslims. Plus don’t get the information from the biased media and governments who like to show Islam as a religion of tyranny and terror.
Please check the following books on this site
http://books.shiachat.com/
God be with you
Regards
Nader ( Lebanon )
August 21, 2006 at 3:35 pm
#152 DJ: The link you have states “error 404, Lost your way?”- Funny way for a ministry to put it (bad web link). One would have to suspect some kind of slant with reference to Mohammad, although most sources (even non-Christian) parallel the same disturbing history.
#153 Nader: Are you related to Ralph by chance? (sorry I couldn’t resist that) Anyhow – regards to you too! I’m sure that many Moslems are sincere and benevolent, although I am puzzled why Islamics are very slow to respond (if at all) to aid their OWN people in times of natural disasters – i.e. The great Tsunami off the coast of Indonesia, earthquakes in the Pakistani Mountains during last winter, floods, famine, etc. where massive aid and support mainly came from the USA – her Military and the citizens of “The Great Satan” as we in America are called by Islamic religious people. Because of the Internet, most of us DON’T believe our government and Media (who actually tries to hide the hideous part of Islam), but we view what Islamics post themselves such as the beheadings of helpless people screaming in fear and pain, gurgling in their own blood while Moslems saw their heads off yelling “Allah Akbar”. The rhetoric from the Sunni sect (Al Qaeda) and the Shia sect (Persian Ayatollahs, Imams, Hezbullies, etc) pretty much educates us all where we stand and that is with our backs to the wall. Islam IS about HATE (killing the infidel – Jews are monkeys, Death to America, etc), Jesus IS about LOVE – even your enemy! While Moslems pray to Allah for the destruction of America and dance in the streets (as they did) when the Twin Towers went down killing thousands indiscriminately, Christians pray for those in stricken countries, volunteer, and send hard earned money (aid) to victims of the same people who hate us. Yes it is true that there are extremist within Islam while most are not direct participants – but what we also see is the “choice” within your faith NOT to reform itself as Christians have by removing the doctrine of hate and Jihad. When your people do that, we will know that Moslems are willing to coexist peacefully with people considered “non-Islamic”. Until then, even those “pacifist” Moslems are enablers by contributing money for the Jihad even indirectly.
August 21, 2006 at 4:45 pm
#130 Kanook Says:
August 20th, 2006 at 6:13 am
To all you Chosen Ones (cause you look so good) and Bible Thumpers, answer me this? If religion was created by GOD (omnipotent et al.) and not man, why no mention of the dinosaurs? Hmm, why? M’kay?
first off the term is “Bible Thumbers” why would we “thump” it? what good is thumping going to do??
secondly, the book of Job makes mention of dinosaurs, i believe its in chapters 37 and 38.
August 21, 2006 at 5:22 pm
Someone please stop Stoognook from plagurizing even peoples’ questions from Yahoo Answers. Dude, come up with your own stuff. You bore us with your repeats of words gone by.
Eagle has said it again very nicely. The problem is exactly as stated. If you so called True Islamics do not consider these extremest muslims why do you put up with them? Why do you let them teach their hate?
As I stated in an earlier post, you know who they are and where there are. If they are teaching false doctrine, and misleading your people (I guess to the opposite place where good muslims go) they are worse than we are. You should have jihad against them and wipe them out so as eagle says, “we will know that Moslems are willing to coexist peacefully with people considered “non-Islamic”, ” and are not about what you say the extremest are for.
Again I say it is because you want them to continue to kill the infidels which are non-muslim. You are just as guilty as the terrorist or extremist for allowing them to continue.
No one has to listen to the media. Just look at history to see what Islam is about and what they have done. I don’t think FOX News was around when you guys started your quest to cleanse the world of the infidel. Convert or Be killed. I think Mohammad got that from the Inquisition.
August 21, 2006 at 5:29 pm
Worriedsince16…the best thing you can do is educate yourself. Do not listen to one person’s ideas and think “That is it.” Read, research and listen to your heart. The truth is out there, you just need to find it.
Questioning people is what has kept us alive for so long. If the congregation of Jim Jones would have questioned him, they might be alive today. If the memeber or Heaven’s Gate would have looked outside the Nike box and questioned their beloved leader, they would be alive today.
Questions are good, so keep asking and keep seeking til you find what you feel comfortable believing.
August 21, 2006 at 7:06 pm
#153 Nader “…that beautiful religion…” Hmmm. We “extremist practistioners who (you) muslims don’t regard as muslims” are no more extremist in our views than you in yours. We disagree with the patriarchal mind-set of your beliefs and the treatment of your women (#131 Red Dawn “…the horrific plight of the Iranian women and the thought of living, as a woman, under such a monstrous system…,” but agree to live and let live. I’m sure Red Dawn’s comments echo most American women’s and probably quite a few in the world as a whole. But don’t interpret our inaction as acceptance. As stated in another post above, when push comes to shove, we get, as Clint Eastwood said in “The Outlaw Josie Wales,” “plain mad-dog mean.” So, if you wish to live peacefully next to us in this world, go your way and we’ll go ours. But if some hoochie-coochie pop artists offends you, just walk away. If a modern women with rights threatens you, get used to it. This is the 21st century. Only the blind and isolated can appreciate an oppressive religion the likes of Islam. When given the chance to think, they will. Deal with it.
#154 Eagle. That’s odd. I copied the link from Google after querying what Christians think of the Koran (or something to that affect). Also kudos on the challenge to the “moderate” mulims reigning in their extremist brethren. I’d count on the sandwiches from Vera showing up first.
August 21, 2006 at 7:08 pm
re post #130 Kanook Says:
August 20th, 2006 at 6:13 am
To all you Chosen Ones (cause you look so good) and Bible Thumpers, answer me this? If religion was created by GOD (omnipotent et al.) and not man, why no mention of the dinosaurs? Hmm, why? M’kay?
Ok Kanook this one’ for you!
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August 21, 2006 at 8:25 pm
[...] It’s also known as 27 Rajab and 31 Mordad, depending upon your calendar. Around the blogoshpere and elsewhere, various interpretations of the significance of August 22 have been offered. As I’ve reported, Farid Ghadry, the president of the Reform Party of Syria says that the Iranians have chosen August 22 for the date of their response because it is “the Night of the Sira’a and Miira’aj, the night Prophet Mohammed (saas) ascended to heaven from the Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem on a Bourak (Half animal, half man), while a great light lit-up the night sky, and visited Heaven and Hell also Beit al-Saada and Beit al-Shaqaa (House of Happiness and House of Misery) and then descended back to Mecca.” The idea has been seconded by Muslim historian Bernard Lewis. Zionist.com states that August 22 also corresponds “with the Islamic date of Rajab 28, the day Saladin conquered and entered Jerusalem,” and that says that there is a rumor that Ahmadinejad believes that on August 22, 2006, “the so-called ‘hidden’ Imam Mahdi who Allah has miraculously kept alive since his disappearance in 874 AD. . . . will return . . . and usher in an era of (Islamic) justice.” And I, myself, have offered that among Shi’ite Muslims, the date also corresponds with the date upon which Muhammad began his prophetic mission. [...]
August 21, 2006 at 9:24 pm
I do not beleive in any sort of religion.
I do beleive that there are eccentric groups of people that are strong beleivers in religion.
And I beleive enough that there IS something to be scared about- in regards to a nuclear holocaust. Why everyone else should be involved is beyond me..
August 21, 2006 at 9:26 pm
how can you say you do not hate these people, and you’re trying to save them by fighting for them… when you make up the most revolting, racsit names for them.
You hate these people America, stop pretending you don’t.
August 22, 2006 at 2:25 am
QWERTY–
WE (Americans)do not hate these people. These PEOPLE hate us and have said so. Their religion and way of life is flat out intolerant of anyone else’s way of life or beliefs. They have stated they wish to kill (and have done so) any culture that does not believe as they do.
WE AMERICANS see no choice but to iradicate the threat before it truly come back to haunt us forever more.
WE HAVE NO CHOICE.
August 22, 2006 at 2:46 am
M.S.blood–
Perhaps you do not believe in any sort of religion. In America and many other civilized free countries this would be allowed.
In an Islamist country, you would be beheaded or stoned for such an outspoken thought. Or perhaps inprisoned and tortured for years. If you do not believe me, please go and google all of the sites Arab women have managed to put up categorizing the lack of rights they have and the atrocities many have endured by daring to speak out.
Unfortunately, unless you want to convert to Islam and live in this way, someone will have to defend the rights that you do have.
FREEDOM IS NOT FREE. There is always, and has always been, a price to pay.
August 22, 2006 at 2:48 am
You people are lunatics. I will, with others, sequester our Country back from idiots that don’t read or try to even fake understanding what this world and life is really about.
People that cannot see the other side of things fall prey to their own ignorant ways. Fear has overcomed your mental stability and you endanger all of us while you spew hate for other races, when you don’t even know what they’re about. You watch Fox News and read the daily standard and are on board with the PNAC, because you are weak. Weak people will destroy the world.
August 22, 2006 at 5:20 am
Finally somebody said something intelligent. I love how many people think they know exactly what the military will do. And the real story behind all the cover ups. Guess what… you don’t. I have never heard a group of people more high and mighty. And hateful.
Here is a scenario for you: oops you were born in Iran! You don’t believe the same way the radical religion in your country does. But I guess that doesn’t matter because you were born in Iran. And half the unUnited States wants you dead and your country “turned into a parking lot” Well sorry pal. Im sure everyone is already thinking oh shutup liberal or hippi or whatever name helps give you an excuse to continue to be ignorant. I wish everyone could give up hate for a little while. And see if they feel any better about themselves.
August 22, 2006 at 8:29 am
The world ends today
http://kaktose.wordpress.com/2006/08/22/the-world-ends-today/
August 22, 2006 at 9:06 am
Eagle..I think I love you..And American Woman..I don’t know why you object to wearing a borqa…it’s a great way to conceal the club to bash these creeps. And Vera..I’d love to see you hook up with a moslem guy…I’m sure you could talk some sense into him…and to the other moron who thinks 9-11 is the fault of American Corporations….give me a break…it wasn’t CEO’s piloting those planes. I’m so tired of all these bleeding hearts who think you can talk and reason with these loons..you can’t…the only thing that will fix their brain is a bullet.
August 22, 2006 at 11:11 am
america couldn’t win in vietnam, how will they win in iran? just like Alice in wonder land tale.. you dont know your countries real abilities. don’t watch superman or xmen movies too much children.
israel attacked hizbullah with the most advanced weapons, and hizbullah attacked them with forks and knives. what is the result?
118 israel soldier killed by hibullah, and 1100 civilians killed by israel not face to face. only one or two hundred of them are hizbullah guerillas.
this is a terrible result! consider if those hi tech weapons are with hizbullah, what would happen?
don’t dream boys. there are 1.5 billion muslims in the world, and they will exist until the end of time.
thanks to god that american state is more clever then citizens of america.
you don’t know much about the realities of the world. no need to argue.
i was born as a muslim in turkey. then i realized that there is no god. now every fellow muslim hates me:) i hate all religions and religious people.
oh today is 22 august. nothing happened! it is not that easy as you see. try to be rational.
August 22, 2006 at 11:18 am
Logic says–
“You watch Fox News and read the daily standard and are on board with the PNAC…” Well, either you spend a great deal of time watching FOX news yourself or you’re just yacking the typical, uninformed liberal rhetoric. How would you know ANY of these views are espoused on FOX news unless you watch FOX yourself? Well, never mind. Repeat what I said above. If you believe watching ANY network news channel gives you a clear picture of what is going on in the world, YOU need to do some major research (like many TRULY educated people do)and spend a couple of hours each day taking in the news from British, French, Arabic, Jewish, Japanese, Russian papers, articles, and commentary. Perhaps then you might see that your “logic” is based on faulty and/or inaccurate information, assumptions, and party politics.
Obviously you do not really understand what our little aMAD Hatter in Iran believes in or intends to do. Maybe not today, or tomorrow, but he certainly plans on doing it. I know it may be the “logical” thing to want to bury your head in the sand like an ostrich and some of what we are saying is making covering your eyes and ears difficult– unfortunately doing either of these things will not make the disturbing things happening in the world go away.
thanks logic–
“Here is a scenario for you: oops you were born in Iran! You don’t believe the same way the radical religion in your country does. But I guess that doesn’t matter because you were born in Iran. And half the unUnited States wants you dead and your country “turned into a parking lot”
This has not been the view point of many posts here in this context. This is completely taken out of context…several posters here, including myself, DO not hate these people and have expressed a real regret that any action such as “turning Iran into a parking lot” may have to be carried out. However, if it comes down to the safety of Americans and our allies versus the Iranians and Islamic terrorists, well, naturally most Americans’ choice would be a LOGICAL desire to survive. Now some of you out there might prefer to chop off your own heads and your family’s heads and hand them to aMAD and his rabid clerical tea party as opposed to taking care of the threat with appropriate action; it is people like us who will make the LOGICAL choice and make the tough decisions and save you from yourselves.
August 22, 2006 at 6:25 pm
#169 AnotherMAD from Turkey – I’ve got a few things for you to consider. First, it’s much easier (and wiser) for an enemy who can’t survive on a battlefield in man-to-man combat, to use guerilla warfare tatics. It’s especially advantageous when you know the opposing force (US or Israel) won’t stoop to that level. Put the war on this soil and you’re going to find out exactly what we’re willing to do to make sure we survive. It won’t be pleasant. Second, I don’t think I’d go so far to liken a fiducia rocket to a stick or knife. Third, there’s nothing wrong with a religion that teaches you to care for fellow man. As I mentioned, I’m not a churchgoer, but I do think mankind would benefit by living by the 10 commandments. I try to treat other people like I want to be treated. That doesn’t mean I’m gonna be walked on. You’ve gotta use common sense. Please note that Red Dawn, Big Jake, and Eagle didn’t attack me because I’m not a regular churchgoer. On the contrary, they have been supportive of most of my viewpoints in spite of the fact that I don’t go to church or know the Bible as they do. It’s not okay that your life is in jeopardy in Turkey because you have shun the Muslim religion. What does that tell you about the general practice of that religion in your country? I’d invite you to move here, but only if you’re willing to work for a living and look at women as an ally and equal rather than an evil force. Women in this Country helped their husbands forge the wild west. We may look weak but trust me when I say, we are not.
August 22, 2006 at 8:09 pm
This whole conflict is because of religion. Just Remember, religion is MAN MADE. That’s why it’s all screwed up most of the time. Christ rebelled against the religion of His day. That’s why they crucified Him. He came to expose all the errors and hypocrisy. But at least His message was of love and forgiveness. What’s Allah’s message? You have Muslims saying how beautiful the religion is and then you have Muslims that live to kill people that don’t think like they do. All in the name of Allah. There is only ONE TRUE GOD, and He has a name. And it’s NOT Allah. Our God is Adonai, Yahweh, Jehovah. And He has several more. All of them describing HIS personality. And His chosen people are the JEWS and you can rest assured that no Muslim or anyone else is ever going to be permitted to wipe them out. You can try, but you’ll always fail. There will always be a remnant left of His people. And HE gave the land Israel to THE JEWS. IT’S THERE’S. AND IF THE JEWS WOULD’VE DONE WHAT GOD TOLD THEM TO DO A LONG TIME AGO, THEY WOULDN’T BE HAVING TO PUT UP WITH ALL THE CRAP THEIR ENEMIES ARE GIVING THEM. Hey American Girl, you say you don’t go to church but you try to live by the 10 commandments. Good for you. But you should really grab a Bible and see what it has to say. Christianity is NOT a religion. It’s a way of life. It’s a relationship with JESUS CHRIST. And HE will return very, very soon. So, if I were you, don’t count on the 10 commandments to save you. It’s nice you’re a good person and I know you’re smart just from reading you’re blogs. But, get real smart. Get saved. Ask God to show you the Truth. He will. And don’t let the cares of this world and all the evil going on in it get you down. All these people were defeated at the cross. Satan knows it and he also know his time is running out. That’s why he’s working so hard right now. He doesn’t want to go to Hell by himself. And another thing. God doesn’t send anyone to Hell. You send yourself for not believing in the only begotten Son of God who came and died for YOU. (And if you were the only one in the world, He would’ve done it JUST FOR YOU!
God Bless YOU.
August 22, 2006 at 9:37 pm
Americanwoman: you are true, that i might be exaggerated things, everybody does here.
the viper: do you think jew are chosen people really? what are they chosen for? Yahuda betrayed Jesus, he is chosen to betray maybe.
dont think that you are something just because america is on your side for today. nothing lasts too long, it just depends on another serious global economical crisis to leave you alone in hundreds of millions muslim arabs. when there will be no more petrol, you will be left alone in the wolf dinner. christians don’t like your kind, muslims dont like, you are the most hated society in the world.
all jews think that they are chosen, and consider every other people as animals that created to serve them. this is a sick belief. i wish my country also had a similar belief system:) jews rules we talk.
Americanwoman, personally i dont accept boys and girls are equal. i consider girls much more precious than boys.
if i was a prophet and didn’t seen any acceptance by girls in adolescence, if the girls didn’t like me and hurted me, then i would tell my people that the girls are secondary class of people, they should be beaten if doesnt act as their husbands expectations, and they should cover their entire body like a prisoner. who knows.
maybe i should come to america:) the place that everyone can tell every thought they have freely.
but america is a place of hard work. people must work so hard there for life.. we are very relax here, we are poorer but comfortable:)
August 22, 2006 at 9:47 pm
“Conquest, no plan, hudna, dhimmi” How many catch-phrases do we have here? We could start a 22 August Bingo contest!
The US does not need a pretense to smash Iran or the Norks. Only the Lefties need some sort of reason. The intransigence, international crimes of terror and counterfeiting by both Iran and North Korea are ‘reason’ enough.
War is Diplomacy by other means!
WAAAUGH!!!
August 22, 2006 at 9:59 pm
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August 22, 2006 at 11:17 pm
#173 It’s viBer, not viPer, although I wish I was a viper sometimes.
What were the Jews chosen for? They were chosen as the Line of people that would bring forth the Messiah, Jesus Christ, the Saviour of the world. The majority of Americans will always be on the side of the Jews because the majority of Americans are christians and christians know the Bible teaches that God will Bless those who Bless Israel, and those who curse Israel, God will curse. Read the Bible. It’s Gods word to mankind. And Jews arn’t the terrorists. They have every right to protect themselves. They have every right to exist and be left alone. They have enemies on every border that want nothing more than to destroy them. That little tiny country and all the millions of Muslims around them, yet they still survive, and are strong. Why? Because God has a veil of protection around them. You can hate them all you want, it doesn’t matter. Jesus said not to fear when people hate you, because they hated Him first. Israel is in the palm of God’s hand, and NOTHING will happen to them unless God allows it for His own reasons. In contrast, Muslims hate everybody, even each other. I’ve never seen such a group of people that are so in love with killing innocent people in such inhuman ways. They even kill their own people. They’re so consumed with hatred it’s pathetic, and you Jews “sick”. Give me break, pal. Muslims think they will be rewarded for these horrible acts. Well, I’ve got news for you. They’ll be rewarded alright. One of the things God hates is “hands that shed innocent blood”. All your martyrs are a bunch of crispy critters right now. And where do you come up with the thought that all Jews think people are animals created to serve them? Jews only defend themselves. They didn’t start this thing.
August 23, 2006 at 3:52 am
#160 Armageddon Cocktail hour: Speaking of Farid Ghadry, why not press our leaders to provide Farid a seat at the UN? Not that it would do any good (Useless Nations) BUT it would be a great symbol, no?
#161 M.S. blood: You’re on the right track actually. Man makes religion, which is always fallible. Get away from organized religion and experience a “personal” relationship with God and you will find love.
#162 QWERTY: How’d you ever come up with a name like that! You stole my password! LOL
#165 Logic: I’m so happy to finally see someone stand up and take control of our country, thanks from all of us. Big task ahead of ya there getting the Jennie back in the bottle. You need to get your people back on the plantation watching CNN and reading the NY Times, LA Times, Washington Post, and listening to NPR.
#166 thanks logic: You’re way too emotional for logical thinking. It’s been said here that Persians (Iranians) are good people who (70%) actually like America (imagine that!). Maybe (I don’t claim to know) the plan is for our military to help the opposition (if needed) to gain control from the radicals if real elections were ever held.
#168: I love you too
– Hey if the Moslems learned to love, maybe grass would grow over there!
#169AnotherMAD from Turkey: Our politicians lost Vietnam – we had rules of engagement that restricted us from doing what a military does best. This could have been because Vietnam was a conflict and never declared a war since bankers funding the North Vietnamese could’ve been tried for treason. As far as Iran, change is brewing from within.
Israel fought that war with limitations imposed on it by a liberal leader. The thought apparently is to expose the UN peacekeeping force as ineffective so they can finish the job in the future when Hisbullies fire more death at innocent civilians in the near future. Why they need to justify anything to a Jew hating world is beyond me. We also know that many of the “1100” civilians were Hisbully reservist and people that were MADE to stay as corpses for CNN cameras.
Not all 1.5 billion Moslems are united, as you may know. There are serious differences between the Shias, Sunnis, Kurds, and other sects that make up your figure (actually 1.3 billion but who’s counting). Most Moslems in this world are killed by Moslems so maybe the problem starts with the common denominator: Islam. Look, there’s plenty of room in this world for opposing beliefs – we in America have a history of welcoming all types (even Jehovah Witnesses!) AS LONG AS THEY ARE PEACEFUL and respect others while happily coexisting.
Religion is man made and subject to corruption and worse as mentioned earlier – Jim Jones, David Koresh, etc. If God exist, then he is independent of these religions that sour His name and lead people astray.
#171 Americanwoman: You are 100% just that!
BTW, I’m not a churchgoer either although I do have a strong belief system.
#173 AnotherMAD from Turkey: I think viber meant well although he is a bit immature about it (even if he is 60). Maybe he should pray to the Lord for wisdom in reaching out to people rather than driving them away (which could be a sin).
As far as what you think of the US: America is made up of all kinds of people – many just like you. She is not just a country; she is an idea and way of life. You have the freedom to excel or fail, work hard to have much, or just be satisfied with the bare necessities. You can worship – or not, vote for your candidate or stay home. It IS the land of the free and the home of the brave. (PLAY BALL!)
August 23, 2006 at 4:25 am
Eagle …Bull’s eye
“America is made up of all kinds of people – many just like you. She is not just a country; she is an idea and way of life”.
August 23, 2006 at 4:52 am
Eagle: It’s funny you say that..I got in a wreck today (the 22nd)..luckily enough..on my part anyway, it was only a fender bender..the girl who hit me reached down to answer her cell phone and didn’t notice me stopped at a stop light, and ran into the back of me going 45 mph. Believe me, on top of being worried about being attacked by other nations, I am VERY worried about driving around town. I always expect to be hit..my worst fear is the drunken driver. I worry a lot. It’s a bad habbit of mine and trust me, I have been working on it for years. And I have no insomnia problem..I wrote that just to write it.
August 23, 2006 at 10:29 am
Eagle: You’re reply to #173 saying I meant well but I’m immature even if I’m 60. Please let me clarify. I’m not a HE, I’m a SHE. I’ve been married 20 years and have two children. One is in college on a full scholarship and the other is a foreign exchange student. I have a Masters Degree in Business-Accounting, AND a Bachelors in Political Science. My husband and I own and operate a very successful business. If I sound immature because I KNOW what I believe and am not afraid to stand up and be counted, forgive me. I try. I believe God has blessed me, my family, and our business. It is my duty to share the gospel and the TRUTH. I’m passionate about my beliefs, just as everyone who’ blogging seems to be. I’m a reasonable person and always enjoy a good debate. There’s the way I see things, the way others see things, and then there’s the TRUTH. I base what I believe on what the BIBLE teaches, which is TRUTH. I will never exchange the TRUTH for a LIE, no matter how easy, selfish, and convenient. If that is immature, so be it.
August 23, 2006 at 11:29 am
hey Viber, i loved your belief and now i think that the only true religion is Jewish religion.
i want to be a Jew soon! how can i be a Jew honey? or how can Eagle be a jew? can anybody convert himself to a Jewish even he or she didn’t born as a Jew?
i really like jews, my only problem with them is there is no way to be one of them:)
did anybody see a muslim like me before?:)
is it true that christian inquision courts were burning girls because they are witches. or torturing people?
muslims never burn people. they cut hands and foots and heads.
every religion is the same, but what makes europe or america different is they are not dominated by the rules of religion anymore.
countries that are ruled by religious doctrines have no place in this new world.
take care people!
August 23, 2006 at 12:23 pm
AnotherMad from Turkey–
I believe viber is a christian, since she expressed belief in Jesus Christ. If she is jewish (by race) then she is a christian Jew. But I don’t believe she ever said she was Jewish or not. Regardless, viber, I believe you expressed precisely why we as American christians support the Jewish state of Israel and why the Jewish people are the chosen people.
We all become “chosen people” once we accept Jesus as Lord and Savior.
Americanwoman and Eagle–
I am not a churchgoer (currently) either as I do not care for manmade religion but a real relationship with my Lord. Not to say that those that go do not have a personal relationship, just not for me at the present time.
AnotherMad–
” every religion is the same, but what makes europe or america different is they are not dominated by the rules of religion anymore.
countries that are ruled by religious doctrines have no place in this new world. ”
Why didn’t you express this belief early on? Methinks you enjoy playing Devil’s Advocate, no?
August 23, 2006 at 2:04 pm
“..That’s the problem with those emotionally religious fanatics – they act without logic and intellect…”
So does Busy. Did he ask any of the american public before going to war. Did he prove that Iraq had done anything to US soil and the pretext that they might have wmds when all they had was empty sand. Only later to say that it was an honest mistake and put america into a huge debt. Whose going to pay it. Your children will face the debt through tax paying dollars. When will the dumb american red necks wake up.
“The strong white race will survive and the Liberal’s and the evil brown will become extinct..”
Strong white race. PHHHFFFTTTT…give me a break. Google father of internal medicine (ibn sina) and algebre. Point being, every civilization has a cycle. The romans reigned for a thousand years and they’re cycle ended. The western civilization starting from the brit empires are relatively new. So its got nothing to do with the red neck white trash race. The muslims and the mongols occupied half the world before this. If you are any literate or if you ever went to college, you would know your world history…
“…Texasborn Says: Keep an eye on Venezuela..Hugo Chavez is up to something..he’s in bed with the jihadists…”
You represent a red neck state. People like you hail Ann Coulter and her misguided lies that allure you people to beleive every word that the technically inempt republicans tell you. Keep listening to them. You are already a trillion dollars in debt. YOUR TAX PAYING DOLLARS IS PUTTING YOU INTO FURTHER DEBT…wake up u moron…
“…These Persian suicide statesmen spent 8 bloody years fighting Iraq (ended in a stalemate) and what did it take us to conquer Iraq – (3 weeks?) not to mention Afghanistan (a country no military in 5,000 years could conquer)…”
AHAHAHAHAHA…OH WAIT..LET ME CATCH MY BREATHE…HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAH…you dumb freak, the war on iraq and afghanistan was won because there were no armies fighting there. The US death toll in Iraq in three years is higher than the death toll in vietnam in its whole war. Keep your stats straight. Google it up. Plus america is high on debt. Whose going to pay it. YOU TAX Payers are. When are you going to learn. IF you had gone to college and taken a course in econonics, you would have known, that a war in iran will not only mount to great loses of US interests, but will soar oil prices so high that america will go into recession. Even now with the war in lebanon, oil prices are record high. Whose going to control it, Your president bush…lol…
“…Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is the New Hitler…”
Did he attack on any country as a pretext and based on a lie. UHHH..no he didnt. Did Bush…lets see…two countries…
“…Are you aware that over 100,000 blacks in Darfur…”
get your facts straight. the biggest number of ppl killed in modern conflicts is the japanese in world war two when us dropped the bomb on two of their cities. Call it greater good or greater evil. secondly, get ur US history shit together. There were close to a few million indegenious red indians living in the NOrth americas. NOw there are a few thousands. They were all butchered by your forefathers you cave living animals…
“…WAKE UP SHEEP. IRAN IS ABOUT TO (NEXT WEEK) TURN ITS ENTIRE OIL INDUSTRY TO EUROS WHICH WILL SPIN THE US ECONOMY INTO A LITERAL DEPRESSION..THE UNITED STATES “HAS” TO STRIKE IRAN SOON, OR IT WILL SUFFER ECONOMICALLY. SEARCH FOR “IRAN OIL BOURSE”…
whose the caveman now. does this sound like a normal selfless human being. or a radical selfish person who wants to nuke another country (iran) just because he wants to drive his mustang and have cheaper oil. shame on you you primitive creature. shame on your worthless soul.
August 23, 2006 at 5:38 pm
to Knocking some sense into the US white trash..
“AHAHAHAHAHA…OH WAIT..LET ME CATCH MY BREATHE…HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAH”you dumb freak, the war on iraq and afghanistan was won because there were no armies fighting there. The US death toll in Iraq in three years is higher than the death toll in vietnam in its whole war. Keep your stats straight. Google it up.”
OK you better hurry back to your tv set ,you are missing your Jerry Springer show
and by the way check your facts
Vietnam War (1964–1975)
Total servicemembers 8,744,000
Serving in-theater 3,403,000
Battle deaths 47,410
Other deaths in service (theater) 10,789
Other deaths in service (nontheater) 32,000
Nonmortal woundings 153,303
Living veterans 8,295,0001
Gulf War (1990–1991)
Total servicemembers 2,225,000
Serving in-theater 665,476
Battle deaths 147
Other deaths in service (theater) 382
Other deaths in service (nontheater) 1,565
Nonmortal woundings 467
Living veterans 1,852,0001
add 2500+ for Iraq occupation
God Bless our Troops. God speed their return!
FREEDOM IS NOT FREE. There is always, and has always been, a price to pay.
August 23, 2006 at 6:15 pm
knocking some sense into the US white trash–
Oh well, I suppose if my views make me “U.S. white trash” in YOUR opinion, I’ll get over it.
BTW, I’m sure you’re college educated but you might want to brush up on your grammatical skills.
Geez, where do these people come from?
August 23, 2006 at 6:21 pm
knocking some sense into the U.S. white trash–
Oh well, if my views make me “U.S. white trash” in your highly articulate opinion, I’ll get over it.
BTW, I’m sure you’re extremely well-educated but you might want to brush up on your grammatical skills.
Perhaps “Google” could provide you some assistance there.
August 23, 2006 at 6:24 pm
Sorry for repeating myself guys!
Just wanted to add some adjectives and give some helpful advice to our friend.
August 23, 2006 at 6:48 pm
To: “knocking…”
It’s quite obvious that you did not benefit from your “education.” There are numerous grammatical and spelling errors in your “rant,” and that’s all it is. Just another example of people who can’t think for themselves and quote ignorant, pacifist, liberals that have NO CLUE as to what’s going on in the world around them.
Now, what since internal medicine and algebra have the muslims invented/created/established? Ooh, ooh, I know! World instability and an environment of fear that prevents people WORLDWIDE from being able to live a normal life in their own countries. Yeah, that’s Nobel material.
The ONLY thing I’ll give the terrorists credit for is that they have taken guerrilla warfare to heart in a bad way. They aren’t just thinking outside the box, they’re inventing new boxes. As I said in a post earlier they don’t have uniforms, carry/wave a flag, and adapt to their surroundings all too well. If you don’t see that as a threat then I feel for you.
Just because we don’t hear everything you think we need to know doesn’t mean we have a right to know. There’s such a thing as operational intelligence which means, to put it in simple terms you might understand, “keeping one’s cards close to the vest.” We didn’t broadcast on the BBC before the D-Day landing in WW II what beaches we were going to assault. The same goes for today’s war on terrorism. The “average Joe/Jane” doesn’t care what going on around him/her. They just want to be secure in their minds that our government is looking out for them. We need the surveillance programs we have (and more) to counter the terrorists to protect us from future attacks. Whether you want to believe it or not that the government is doing just that, then that’s your right. But in my humble opinion your are grossly uninformed.
In the situation we face in this day and age we must realize that who we fight do not play by the rules, have no value for human life (including yours), and will stop at nothing, to include killing people of their own religion/belief, to realize their goal: world-wide domination of the muslim faith and sharia law.
If that’s the way you care to live I suggest you move to the middle east right now and get a good place in line to pay the tax to allow you to continue to believe in what you want. Oh, I forgot, that’s out the window. You’ll have to convert to Islam. Ooops. Never mind. They want to kill you. Blindfold and cigarette?
August 23, 2006 at 6:58 pm
#182 Red Dawn, no I am not Jewish, but I am a christian and I love the Jewish people. I agree, we’re all God’s people when we accept Christ. Thank you for being supportive of me. I was sure I’d get attacked by everyone blogging, especially by Eagle, which made me feel bad because I really like him. He did make me analyze myself all day, wondering if maybe I am immature. I certainly hope not. I love people and want peace, but I don’t think it’s possible. I get a kick out of AnotherMAD. I don’t know what to think of him other than he’s got some issues. Anyway, it’s been fun.
August 23, 2006 at 7:06 pm
Hey viber…mitts off of Eagle. I already told him I thought I was in love with him and he told me he loved me back, so I get first dibs.
August 23, 2006 at 8:01 pm
Knocking US White Trash: It’s always easy to be a BIG MOUTH when nobody knows who you are. I’m sure you must’ve had the shit kicked out of you most of your life. You’re not only ignorant of your stats, you spell as bad as you think. You’re an idiot. Red neck white trash, huh? You can bet everyone of those Texan red necks could pulvarize you if you had the balls to face one. But you won’t. You’ll either hide behind some woman’s skirt (if you’re not wearing your own) or get shot in the back running away from a fight. So shut the hell up, coward.
And before I forget, lovesamerica, you need to get a boyfriend.
August 23, 2006 at 10:12 pm
hey..new person here. there really is no point debating on the subject of religion or politics..because in general, there are so many points of view, there’s no way anyone could win the argument.
August 24, 2006 at 12:30 am
Duck Hunter, If you’re going to get in on this thing, get in on it, or go hunt some ducks.
August 24, 2006 at 1:27 am
see that’s all you people do on here..try to be rude to everyone else to make yourselves look like you are something special…ok not everyone on here does that..a select few..
August 24, 2006 at 1:50 am
whaa whaa whaa all the way home.
August 24, 2006 at 1:53 am
i don’t recall whining like a baby…oh wait, that was you i heard..ok i’m done.. yall need to go talk about the war and arabs and religion and whatever else.
August 24, 2006 at 1:59 am
duck hunter, you’re right. There’s no winning an argument when there are so many opinions. It’s not really arguing anyway. People just like to throw things out there and see what others have to say. I’m about done with this thing. And don’t take zealot’s comments personally. You can tell he’s not wrapped too tight.
August 24, 2006 at 2:09 am
“viber”..you are very right..and i figured that after he/she replied to my post with “whaa whaa…” i won’t take his/her comments personally..i’m better than that.
“knocking”… what is your obsession with name calling? are we in elementary school again? you don’t have to call people freaks or dumb rednecks..i mean unless that makes you feel better in which case you need to grow up a little. i’m not from texas, but i am from the south..and quite frankly we “dumb rednecks” aren’t as dumb and unsophistocated as you think.
ok, duck hunter is checking out..there’s no need to get all huffy puffy over this.
August 24, 2006 at 3:16 am
to Knocking some sense into the US white trash..
Some friendly advice…
“Get your facts first, then you can distort them as much as you please.”–Mark Twain
August 24, 2006 at 11:41 am
viber and duck hunter–
What most of us enjoy doing here is debating and finding solidarity with people of like mind.
We’ve generally stayed on topic but every now and then someone like “knock some sense into your own head…I mean U.S. white trash” lashes out with just such a rant and the topic spins off a little ways.
There are almost as many points of view on this Iran-armageddon thing as there are on religion and politics and they are rather related, don’t you think?
August 24, 2006 at 8:02 pm
Okay, okay, I owe Duck Hunter an apology. I’m sorry Duck Hunter. I’m really not as rude as I sound. I was ticked yesterday because of the “knock some sense into your own head, U.S. white trash” crap and I was hoping more people would tell this clown where to go. And you were too nice when you joined in. Sorry ’bout that. I do take some offense to Viber saying I’m not wrapped too tight. There’s the muslim on here that isn’t a muslim any more, says he’s an atheist and then gets sarcastic to Viber that he wants to be a Jew, there’s the white trash guy/gal that can’t spell or write a descent sentence that the knocks the U.S., the greatest country in world, and you have women falling all over Eagle like he’s some 6′2″ pretty boy they’re hoping to snag, when in reality, he’s probably some balding, pencil neck with thick glasses, and you say I’m not wrapped too tight!!?? C’mon. Cut me some slack. And yeah, Red Dawn, I think this Iran-Armageddon thing and religion & politics are all related. Too many patriotic, good Americans have been quiet too long. The rest of the world thinks we’re weak because we don’t hit back hard enough. They saw off heads and we think we can negotiate. It’s frustrating. I can’t help it that I get really angry. But, Duck Hunter, you’re a good person from the South, and I love the South, so please don’t hold my rudeness against me.
August 25, 2006 at 12:20 am
Just trying to get a pole of Bush supporters. And who agrees with the war. Should we take the troops out? I’m just curious. I am in the military and about to be deployed and I don’t know where my head is at right now. It would be nice to hear some of Americas’ opinions. Try to picture YOURSELF going over there with a posibility of never coming back. Thanks.
August 25, 2006 at 12:21 am
“zealot”..apology accepted. i know the days you speak of..being ticked off and taking it out on forums. i have things to say to “knocking”, but i have already said them in a previous post. trust me, you are not alone on that one.
on your note about “good americans being quiet too long..” yes, i agree. the “good americans”, as you say, spend too much time watching cspan and fox news, and yelling at the television rather than acting on it. get up! “practice what you preach!” whether it be to the television or a forum or a town meeting.. don’t be silent.
“red dawn”..i understand what the point of this website is, and why the creator of it also added in the “submit comment” button. i’m just saying people shouldn’t take offense over something that is anonymously written online, and definitely shouldn’t try to win the argument by beginning name calling and religion bashing..(and i mean who even cares what side of the country one is from? we are one country.)..because in all reality, you can’t win with religion, politics, what have you. a final decision may be made, but that doesn’t mean you lose or win. okay, this is off the topic of the website like you have pointed out.
August 25, 2006 at 12:30 am
(sorry for the double post, but i wanted to answer the pole for “question”)
“question”…i support bush for several reasons, but his decision in keeping the troops at war is not one of them. he needs to quit taking vacations and be a president. i give you thousands, millions even, of props for being in the military. honestly, you are a hero. i can imagine what your head is going through. i am not in the military, but my grandfather was in the air force. he was sent to vietnam..even though the americans should have stayed out of that war. he never came back. his plane was shot down while he was delivering amo and other things. i know americans are in danger every day, and the muslims want to whipe us off of the face of the earth, but it’s time to bring the troops home. i would like to know what our troops do over seas nowadays..seriously. maybe knowing what they actually do everyday would change my mind.
August 25, 2006 at 1:10 am
Question: I think President Bush is a good man, and I do believe we have to stop these terrorists, but I don’t have a military mind. I know nothing about warfare, so I can only trust that those in power know what they’re doing. My brother is a VietNam Vet, and my father won the bronze star fighting in Italy during WWII. I have great respect for our troops, and I promise you, I will pray for you “Question” throughout the day EVERY day. I can understand your fear. I know I wouldn’t want to be deployed over there. I also have a 19 year old son in college, and the thought of him going over there scares me. He has told me several times that he wants to join the ROTC, and he feels he should do his part in protecting the country, which I admire him for, but as a Mom, it just makes me quiver inside. As Duck Hunter said, you are truly a hero, and my prayers that God will protect you from all harm and danger are already being said.
August 25, 2006 at 2:39 am
I don’t care what side of the country anyone is from. When it comes down to it, we’re just Americans. I love the South because they have a lot of hospitality and are warm and friendly. However, I’m a New Yorker. And I love New York. You can understand what 9-11 did to me. So when these “hate Americans” get on here, and these muslims that have no respect for human life do their butchering to some American soldier just because he’s an American, it just sparks something in me. 9-11 hit all of America, but New Yorkers…well, I guess you just have to be one to really understand.
August 25, 2006 at 2:51 am
Question–
My husband’s son just got out of boot camp and was sent to Okinawa and we worry about him possibly being deployed to the middle east. But HIS stepfather was a private officer in Irag BEFORE he joined the marines and he came back to the U.S. missing an arm and a leg and a good part of his inner organs after a convoy he was in was blown up by a mine laid by insurgents.
Brave boy; obviously believes in this country and what he is fighting for.
I trust Bush. I believe that the Islamic threat HAS to be confronted and something done about the middle east. Better to engage them in fighting, and if they don’t want democracy, encouraging infighting there. Sorry state of affairs but unfortunately the way it is. By fighting them there, our troops defend us here.
zealot–
We all get mad when ignoramuses post irrational rants here…that or laugh at the complete idiocy! LOL!
Certainly we as Americans have enough to contend with without encouraging divisions among those who have like minds.
duck hunter–
To bring the troops home will only worsen the situation. The moslems will only see our withdrawal as weakness and proclaim this throughout their streets. It will only embolden them. We have to stay the course and hand the control incrementally over to the Iraqis, which is what we’re doing.
When is the last time, no matter how many times they’ve threatened or tried, that the radical Islamists have been able to launch a successful attack against us on home soil since 911??? Something to think about.
August 25, 2006 at 3:00 am
I will NEVER forget 911–not what I was doing at the time, what I was thinking, what I was praying…and the images I saw on T.V.
I’m not from N.Y. but I guarantee you, zealot, I was N.Y. THAT day and all out American about what I wanted to see happen to those murdering b@$tards. Nobody does that to MY people and gets away with it! Thank God we had a president in office like Bush insted of some politically correct pansy. The world (as a whole) may not like us now, but I know they sure as anything respect what we’re willing to do to get payback.
August 25, 2006 at 3:38 am
“red dawn”..i like your enthusiasm about pay back. i too feel the same way about it..in this situation. i just need some peace at mind that our troops are actually needed over there. what if we brought them home, and nothing was to happen? i know the chances of nothing happening in that situation are VERY slim to none.. i have a blank and questionable mind on the situation in iraq. partly because i am not there myself, experiencing the war. like i said, if i knew that our troops weren’t just wasting their time over there, my mind may change about bringing them back home.
August 25, 2006 at 3:44 am
I want to start by saying thank you for your thoughtful words. I also want to add an angle that I want everyone to seriously think about before answering…If you had to go to Iraq tomorrow, would you believe that this war is worth your life? And if you are a parent, is it worth your childs’ life?
I don’t want everyone thinking that I’m scared to go. That is not it at all. The way I look at it is if I go then that means somebody gets to come home. Which in turn could save that individuals’ life. What scares me is thinking that what if all of this has been about oil the entire time. Please try to understand what I’m saying before you judge me. I love this country and will support it until I die. But I don’t think anyone should have blind faith when it comes to a government.
August 25, 2006 at 3:49 am
Excellent OP/ED piece in the NY Post today by Ralph Peters.
He says that the Iraqi experiment in Democracy is the Arabs last chance to enter the civilized world and the 21st century.
He states:
“Iraq doesn’t have a democracy in any meaningful sense. It isn’t even a nation. Iraqis didn’t vote for freedom. They voted for revenge against each other”.
“In the immediate aftermath of Operation Iraqi Freedom, I argued that the only realistic solution was to break Iraq into three pieces. What we lacked the guts to do, elections have done. The pretense that an Iraqi national identity exists or ever will exist can be sustained no longer.
Iraq doesn’t have a government. It has a collection of warlords, demagogues and thieves with official titles. It’s time to put our own politics aside and face reality: If Iraq’s elected leaders won’t stop looting their country long enough to pull together and defeat the foreign terrorists, internal insurgents and militias killing Iraqis, we should not ask our troops to defend them”.
In a way we are to blame. Our arrogance
in assuming that the middle eastern moslems think and feel as we do in regards to form of government and way of life.
It’s like the guy who tried to convince a group of cannibals to become vegetarians -
(”It’s a more healthy lifestyle,better to cut down on red meat”).
-and ended up as the main course.
We better start thinking about what’s good for America first and then worry about the rest of the world.
http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/arabs_last_chance_opedcolumnists_ralph_peters.htm
August 25, 2006 at 12:26 pm
If we leave, Iraq is vulnerable to Iran.
We cannot allow Iran to become more powerful in that region than it already is.
I believe we had to go into Iraq because whether or not Saddam had weapons of mas destruction, he was quite ambitious in his desires to take over the middle east.
We (for some reason) do depend on oil from this area of the world…everyone does and we can’t allow a bunch of little Hitlers and Mad Hatters to use it for leverage over us.
Can anyone tell me why, aside from the dems whining about the reindeer in Alaska and how drilling in Anwar would destroy the area, we aren’t doing just that instead of worrying about any oil supply from the middle east?
Question–
Yes, I do support you going to Iraq and fighting for us because you take the fight there instead of allowing it on home ground. You have the chance to kill off many terrorist thugs that otherwise might be strategizing another attack on American soil.
Quite frankly, maybe we just need to give these people what they want and keep them living in the 12th century. These people want to hate their moslem brothers and jewish neighbors more than they want to love their children by providing a safe, peaceful, prosperous environment for them to grow up in. So maybe the way to deal with them is to continue to destabilize govenments that become too powerful. The people, it seems to me, will generally take the opportunity to increase their misery and bloodshed and make their situation increasingly worse. Certainly if they’re busy killing one another, they are far less focused on becoming a threat to the world.
Big Jake–
Very good article. Sounds like someone as disgusted by these people as I am.
August 26, 2006 at 2:50 am
My concern with our involvement in Iraq stems from the double standard applied to the conduct of the war.
We are held to the “Marqis of Queensberry Rules ” (the Geneva Convention) while the insurgents specifically target civilians, torture and kill at will, wear no uniforms, and are offered amnesty as long as they did not intentionally harm fellow Iraquis.
Harming Americans is ok. This from the Iraqi government we support.
I don’t know what the answer is but I think it is strange that we are putting the Haditha 8 on trial for their lives and kow-towing to political correctness while these monsters are running wild.
Marines are trained as fierce combat soldiers ,not policemen. Police opperate in a civilized society ,not a war zone.
They are forced to fight with one hand tied behind their backs in fear of accusations of brutality.
If we are not going to let them fight to win,then bring them home now.
http://nctimes.com/articles/2006/08/24/news/top_stories/22_01_268_23_06.txt
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/23/AR2006082301829.html
August 26, 2006 at 3:44 pm
Big Jake: Your post impressed me. You’re so right. If our soldiers are going to be there, then let them do what they’re trained to do. We’re not fighting MEN, we’re fighting robots, stripped of all decency and humanity.
August 26, 2006 at 4:40 pm
I agree with both of you. If the enemy doesn’t adhere to the Geneva Convention rules of conduct in war, neither should we.
August 27, 2006 at 3:41 am
واقعاٌ مسخره است. خدا به این جماعت یه عقلی بده، به ما هم یه پولی!
August 27, 2006 at 6:21 am
#216,..Okay somebody, translate…
August 27, 2006 at 11:09 am
OK Zealot,
I’ll give it a shot . I believe that Reza has
said:
God Bless America ! My dear friends ! and thank you from the bottom of our hearts for all your efforts in bringing democracy and free speach to the Arab world.
God Bless your Flag ,your country and your People.
August 27, 2006 at 2:34 pm
Big Jake..if I knew you I’d shake your hand. If that isn’t what it says, I sure love your comeback. My hat’s off to you…you gave me quite a smile.
August 27, 2006 at 3:36 pm
Zealot,Good Buddy and fellow New Yorker,
I’m sure Reza can talk pretty good American when he wants to. So if my translation isn’t what he said he can feel free to speak plainly so there won’t be any misunderstanding.
August 27, 2006 at 6:24 pm
We must always look to the future. Tomorrow–the time that gives a man just one more chance–is one of the many things that I feel are wonderful in life. So’s a good horse under you. Or the only campfire for miles around. Or a quiet night and a nice soft hunk of ground to sleep on. A mother meeting her first-born. The sound of a kid calling you dad for the first time. There’s a lot of things great about life. But I think tomorrow is the most important thing. Comes in to us at midnight very clean. It’s perfect when it arrives and it puts itself in our hands. It hopes we’ve learned something from yesterday.”
John Wayne
August 27, 2006 at 9:01 pm
John Wayne’s Personal Philosophy on Life:
“When you come slam bang up against trouble, it never looks half as bad if you face up to it.”
“I have tried to live my life so that my family would love me and my friends respect me. The others can do whatever the hell they please.”
“A man’s got to have a code, a creed to live by, no matter his job.
August 28, 2006 at 12:27 am
Ok – now that August 22nd is behind us, anyone still here besides me? (I can hear crickets..) Anyhow:
#179: worriedsince16: Glad to hear you’re okay with your accident. J Yes, death can be right around the corner in many ways, but so is life as well. Assuming that you’re a teen – you certainly have a long life ahead of you and a chance to really be a plus to yourself and society. Rather than worry, (which does no good), try staying active in life but careful in all you do.
#180: the viber: Gosh darn it you went and said you liked me (past tense) – J So I had to rewrite a kinder/gentler response. We need to analyze our selves yes from time to time. That was my point (not to insult you) but to ask yourself (or pray first for wisdom) how you can help the Holy Spirit rather than hinder it. I don’t disagree with what you say, but how it was delivered. I would rather see seeds sewn that bear fruit, as I’m sure you would too (especially being a mother). And I DO believe you when you say that you are a female since you mentioned everything BUT your true age (LOL). Peace.
#182 Red Dawn: You hit the nail on the head with the relationship concept. And YES – good point with respect to anotherMAD’s commentary.
#183: Knocking some sense into the US white trash.. Are you Howard Dean? Come clean now – because I can see the same old talking points. First, I considered (not that I had to) your request “The US death toll in Iraq in three years is higher than the death toll in vietnam in its whole war. Keep your stats straight. Google it up”.
Big Jake has honorably noted the real statistics (not that it matters to folks like you). The US death toll in Iraq currently is 2,622 – this includes non-combat related deaths like horsing around (recreational stuff), suicides, medical illnesses, etc. The average monthly death toll on American highways is 3,750 (just though I’d put that in there). Parts of those traffic fatalities in the last few years unfortunately are soldiers that returned from Iraq who survived war only to be killed on the highways. The Vietnam War cost the US a much higher 68,988 lives if you want to include non-combat related deaths as with Iraq. So since you can’t grip the basics of math and statistics, it would be pointless to pay any more attention to you. Have a nice day…
#187 Red Dawn: Always a pleasure to hear from you (even twice) J
#192 duck hunter: It’s all good…yes there are rude people and nice ones as well. We discuss things anonymously so we are free to act out the best or worst parts of our minds without fear (unless you and your IP are in an Islamic state). Because of this, there is no point in taking any of this personally. BTW, We KNEW you were from the south when you said “yall” – that gave it away! J
#201 zealot: “and you have women falling all over Eagle like he’s some 6′2″ pretty boy they’re hoping to snag, when in reality, he’s probably some balding, pencil neck with thick glasses,”
So did I ever say what sex I was? J Got you thinking now huh!
#202 Question: Thank you for serving our country first of all. It doesn’t matter what the polls say as many times people’s opinions aren’t accurately reflected due to the types of questions asked. Despite what the media and propaganda artist say, Americans (and I dare say most of modern society worldwide) know in their hearts that this War on Islamofacism (waged against modern civilization globally) HAS to be fought and better for us over there than here. So there is an appreciation for people like you who sacrifice the comforts of home and commit themselves to the effort. It is as historical as other major wars if not more so because the attack that brought us into the war was on our soil (continental US) and we HAVE to address it head on at the sources. 1/3 of our unit was there (Iraq & Afghanistan) and what most people in this country don’t hear from the biased political media and opposition politicians are the daily successes and appreciation from the people there. History will be on our side (you will see) when you’re an old man talking about it to your grandchildren (the generations to come whose freedom you are protecting). Picture that, as the statistics are clearly favorable that you will be proudly back before you know it.
#207 Dawn: You are right (again) about how weakness opens you up to an attack. Bin Laden was quite surprised after the Mogadishu (UN) catastrophe, when President Clinton pulled our troops out. He saw the USA as a paper tiger and the green light was given to plan and execute the attack on the Twin Towers. It showed that the great USA was weak and vulnerable lacking the will to fight. President Carter (the father of modern Terrorism, 1979) also taught the Iranian clerics that we just want to love everyone rather than fight. It was no surprise that the hostages were released when President Ronald “big guns” Reagan took office and the disgraced Jimmy Carter went on to win the Nobel Peace Prize. Like Bush or not, we have not had an attack since 2001: Peace through strength is the only solution.
# 210 Question: This country’s lifeblood IS oil – if we don’t have any, trucks stop and America turns into New Orleans X 100. So resources HAVE been the reason for many wars and for good reasons – without it people die. However, this war we are now caught up in (it’s actually been waged for over 1,300 years) is a Jihad (Holy War). It is about Islamic Conquest and yes, if they can seize the oil fields; the western countries not in line with Islam are in trouble.
#211 Big Jake: I feel the same way – this idea of a unified Iraq was nuts. But there are so many other factors involved with splitting up Iraq into pieces, that had we may create more trouble over a greater region. What we need to do is tell our environmentalist to take a hike and drill drill drill for oil. This country has vast amounts of oil in the ground yet to be tapped – so much so that I’d like to see us pay off our debt, then deflate the oil market so the Iranian Regime finds that it has little money left to buy weapons for Hizbullies and it’s war on western societies.
#216: The closest to a translation I can find is: “His oppressor is falling an anus. They furrowed ا by himیBe far جماعت یه was reasonableی He came upon, by him that a worry یه پ and turn aroundی!”
Folks, I have this feeling that any statement with the word “anus” in it isn’t going to be positive. SO, maybe it is good that reza has an Arabic keyboard! It’s obvious that there are two different worlds (Islam vs. Civilization) and what overrides the concern that they like us is that we survive what hell they bring us. Bin Laden had said in his declaration of Jihad (1996) that they don’t distinguish between military and civilian people – all are targets. That doesn’t sound very sensitive to me and yes, what about the Geneva Convention?? It seems like the pointy headed intellectuals just don’t get it: Islamics DON’T play by their old rules of warfare. Those Pendleton 8 (American POWs in California) Marines should be released immediately and those responsible for their arrest and treatment tried for treason!
August 28, 2006 at 1:44 am
#223:Eagle
“What we need to do is tell our environmentalist to take a hike and drill drill drill for oil. This country has vast amounts of oil in the ground yet to be tapped – so much so that I’d like to see us pay off our debt, then deflate the oil market so the Iranian Regime finds that it has little money left to buy weapons for Hizbullies and it’s war on western societies”.
BULL’S EYE again ,my friend. With the shale oil deposits in western Canada and the US ,the coal deposits(I believe we are the Saudi Arabia of coal)not to mention the Anwar Oil reserves all waiting to be tapped,we should be able to sidestep the Middle eastern blackmailers.
The really interesting play will come when we fully utilize the potential that Hydrogen holds.
Unfortunately ,we do not yet have our national priorities in order .
During WWII ,we were denied access to the rubber producing plantations in the Japanese occupied Pacific region . We were forced to improvise and synthetic rubber was invented.
I see a similar event should the Middle east become a conflagration. Could you imagine what would happen should these Islamic countries be deprived of their Petro-Dollars?
They are all one trick ponies. If oil should become just one of many fuel source option,all these countries are in trouble.
http://www.hydrogen.com/h2you.asp
By the way ,your translation of Reza’s post#216: “His oppressor is falling an anus. They furrowed ا by himیBe far جماعت ” sounds like Gay porn to me. Reza ,I think that writing that stuff can get you in alot of trouble in most moslem countries ,especially
the ones under Sharia Law.
Reza, I am giving you the benefit of the doubt.
My translation (post #218) is what you meant to say unless we hear otherwise from you.
August 28, 2006 at 2:03 pm
Eagle..glad to see you’re back. I thought you flew away. Man or woman, I don’t care what you are. Only made that comparison to make a point. No insult intended. Don’t care if you look like E.T., Brad Pitt, or my sister. I enjoy the posts from you and Big Jake the most…t doesn’t matter, I just assumed you were both guys.
As far as Reza goes, the anus translation is freaky. Maybe that’s why these people are so edgy….they know what can happen if they bend over to pick something up.
August 28, 2006 at 3:35 pm
Eagle: Glad to see you’re back, too. And I DO like you. You’re posts are always a good read, as well as Red Dawn’s and Big Jake’s, and I do get a lot of humor reading Zealot. Eagle, there’s no need to explain. I know you meant well, but you should take some of your own advice about “delivery”. If you had, you would’nt have had to have a gentler response. You did make me analyze myself, and that’s a good thing. I know I have faults. But,I have always been a stand up person. I’m not afraid to say what I think or defend what I believe. Especially now when the whole war is based on a belief system. I probably do sound immature on this statement, but in response to Reza, if you don’t have the guts to say what you mean so we can understand it, go stick your head in a hole. And I mean a hole in the ground. (hahaha)
August 28, 2006 at 5:36 pm
Wow. Alot going on since I last got on here. Zealot, when I said I “loved” Eagle, it was JUST A FIGURE OF SPEECH. I didn’t mean it literally so take a pill. The keep your mitts off thing was just in fun. That’s why I don’t get on these forums very much. It gets too weird for me. Especially now with this anal stuff and Reza. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that he’s probably trying to call us all a bunch of assholes, but as in everything else these uncivilized cowards do, he uses this scribble to “play” with us. I’m not swept away with any of these Muslims and wish they’d all stay the hell over there and do their own thing away from us and out of our country. Call me a bigot if you want to, but none of them belong here. Let them live their insane way and let us live ours. We have the right to exist the way we want to in the West, and they can exist their way in the M. East. They think we’re the Great Satan, we think their NUTS. As far as our guys being over there, God Bless every one of them and I hope they all come home safely. But while they’re there, they should be allowed to do whatever they have to,to survive. I support President Bush’s decision and it breaks my heart that our young men and women have to fight such an unconventional war against such monsters. But, they’ll win. There’s no military or spirit like ours.
August 28, 2006 at 6:06 pm
And one more thing. Everytime one our soldiers gets slain, we should just TAKE 100,000 barrels of oil.
August 28, 2006 at 8:40 pm
Eagle, unfortunately I clicked on the wrong topic a few minutes ago. Anyway, I’m 43. I know you’re a man because no woman would be such a wiseguy.
August 29, 2006 at 12:52 am
Eagle–
Glad you “jihad” (LOL!) with my replies. Touche my friend.
As for knowing you are a man as opposed to a woman:
#74– you said “I was beginning to get turned on to Vera (in a weird way) until she used “bald headed” as a derogatory adjective describing undesirable manipulative old men. I resemble that statement and demand an apology!”
Sorry, buddy. Had to point it out! ‘Course could all be disinformation but you’re too right on most of the time, so don’t think so. Got to give it to viber; she nailed you!
Love your info and comments.
Big Jake– Again, can ANYONE tell me why we aren’t relying on our own fuel sources instead of the blackmailers’??? We all know the political game with the Reps and the Dems and know THEY all know what’s truly going on. So what gives? All for the sake of retaining their seats? If so, those knowing the truth should be tried for treason as they jeapordize the security of this great nation and the lives of her valiant soldiers.
lovesamerica–Good idea though not even enough. Why not just take the damn country; democracy is not an idea these people seem to desire. They’d rather starve and raise their children in absolute degradation. They’d rather a mad/despotic man rule them and slaughter/torture them at will. Perhaps we need to allow the Kurds their own free state and let the shia and the sunni war with one another. When they’re sufficiently weakened, by their own hands, we should empower the Kurds to move in and take over. It wouldn’t be called Iraq, though. It would be Kurdistan.
August 29, 2006 at 1:40 am
#223 Eagle – I’m still here. I’ve been preparing my basement. My PC friends think I’m heading for the looney bin. Every once in awhile I listen to them. To answer your question about Howard Dean. Let me clue you all in to a little story, a true one, about Howard Dean. Shortly after 9-11 when he was still Governor of Vermont and all airports were on high alert, he took offense to an airport baggage inspector (at Burlington International) checking his luggage. He didn’t think he should have to go through what the rest of us were going through because he was Governor. Excuse my language (my southern roots showing here) but the man is a complete asshole. He says he’s for the people and then gives the poor airport security guard a hard time. In my humble opinion, no one .. and I mean no one … in this Country is above having their luggage checked. Why? Well for one, it sends the wrong message, and two, what a fait-a-complis for a terrorist to pull off loading a US government official’s baggage with some type of explosive device. Howard Dean for America … yeah, as long as us dumb little folk are willing to serve him. Sorry if I offend, but I know of what I speak.
#184 – Big Jake, thanks for setting the record straight with #183
#183 – What is up with the “white trash” nomer? Come on. I’ve lived all over this Country and in a lot of foreign countries for that matter. By using White Trash in your nomer, I have to assume you think the only people on this site who take issue with Moslem extremists are white. Grow up. Black America, Yellow America, and Brown America understands when they are threatened. If Islam were truly a peaceful religion, you wouldn’t see a more supportive group of people in America. For the most part, we believe in “live and let live.”
#210 – My husband’s been to Afghanistan on several tours. He still has hope and thinks we are on the right course. My son will probably be in Iraq within the next year. I love both of these men and the fight had better be worth it. I think it is. No one said it would be easy, including Bush. My fear all along has been that the media in this Country would do everything in its power to sway public opinion negatively on any war. Iraq gave them their excuse. Most of these morons are so in tight with Hollywood that the thought we Americans might put something else above going to a movie sent them into all out war on the war against terror. Let them be on the next airliner taken down.
#216 – Reza, your mother’s name better not be Judi. If so, I am extremely disapointed in you. I can forward your message to a good friend who will translate. Maybe I should respond in French or Italian. I’m sure there are others on this site who can handle other languages. We’re writing in English. Step up or get off.
August 29, 2006 at 1:41 am
Boy, if I could throw a party…call it the “cocktail hour”, I’d have to invite these people:
viber– for your belief
eagle– for your articulate and intelligent presentation
Big Jake– for your passion and knowledge
lovesamerica– for your patriotism
Question– for your questions
duck hunter– for your quiet pragmatism
worriedsince16– for your worries
zealot– for your zeal
D.J.– for your assessment
and last but not least, anothermad from Turkey–for your sarcasm and wit
Would be an interesting party, no?
August 29, 2006 at 1:46 am
Oh my, forgot one of my favorites as I just saw you posted when I did!
Americanwoman– well, she’s an Americanwoman. Nothing else need to be said about her!
August 29, 2006 at 3:09 am
Red Dawn, you asked:
” Again, can ANYONE tell me why we aren’t relying on our own fuel sources instead of the blackmailers’???”
The answer is because somebody is making alot of money doing things the way that they have always been done. Until we have to change (Necessity is the Mother of Invention)or because we want to change(somebody can make more money by doing things differently),we will do what we have always done.
August 29, 2006 at 4:17 am
Iran vs. America … Two Paths To Peace?
Ikvot ha’Mashiach
Commentary by Jack Kelley
The plan was for Russia to operate Iran’s nuclear fuel enrichment program in Russian territory with spent fuel rods being returned to Russia to insure no weapons grade enrichment took place in Iran. Iran agreed to part of the plan but has refused to stop its own enrichment program. This is a deal breaker.
Iran has consistently said that its nuclear program is intended for peaceful purposes only, so why not take advantage of this opportunity resolve the issue?
The answer lies in Shiite Islam’s definition of peace. To them it’s a condition that will exist only after Israel and Islam’s other enemies are destroyed and all the world is brought under submission. Only then can the Moslem Messiah, al Mahdi, establish the world wide Islamic rule that brings peace.
According to Moslem oral traditions (not written in the Koran) al Mahdi, who they believe disappeared in 941AD, will return to Earth when conditions have become so chaotic and desperate that he alone can save us. Iranian President Ahmadinejad believes he has been brought to power specifically to hasten al Mahdi’s return by plunging the world into such a state, and he believes he can accomplish this within 2 years.
He’s also said that the US is the major obstacle to this plan, even going so far as to accuse the US of trying to usurp al Mahdi’s role by imposing its own brand of peace upon the world.
While these two strategies appear to have the same ultimate goal in view, and while both presidents have alluded to divine purpose in their lives (obviously from different sources), their approaches to achieving that goal couldn’t possibly be more incompatible. Islamic rule is not democratic, and a democracy can’t tolerate an all powerful clergy imposing religious law.
Compounding the problem, Western mentality says that when two parties with similar goals disagree over implementation they sit down to negotiate and compromise until their differences are resolved. In Islam the only condition under which compromise is acceptable is when it buys the Moslem party enough time to gain the strength necessary to destroy the non-Moslem.
So while the EU 3 has been working with US support to negotiate a compromise to accommodate Iran’s nuclear aspirations, Iran has been using the time to secretly gain the strength it will need to succeed in imposing its will on the world. Sooner or later this dance has to end as the parties’ real intentions become known.
That time may soon be upon us. Even the multi-culturally minded Europeans can only be pushed so far and the recent “cartoon Jihad” might have been the last straw. “Freedom of speech is not up for negotiation,” declared Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso, summing up a consensus that has only grown stronger as the cries of outrage from the Muslim world grow louder.
“We demand a new social contract,” says Jan Wolter Wabeke, High Court Judge in The Hague. “We no longer accept that people don’t learn our language, we require that they send their daughters to school, and we demand they stop bringing in young brides from the desert and locking them up in third-floor apartments.” It’s finally dawning on Europeans that multi-culturalism is not part of the Islamic lexicon.
Before long it will become obvious even in diplomatic circles that Iran is intent on fomenting an international crisis, and that no amount of appeasement will put them off the track.
I edited the article as best I could .The website is posted below. I’ve got a bad feeling about this, folks . A showdown seems inevitable
once this nutjob gets the bomb.
http://www.gracethrufaith.com/ikvot/iran-vs-america-two-paths-to-peace
August 29, 2006 at 6:28 am
RE post #232
Red Dawn,
That sounds like one heck of a shin-dig! I’ll bring the steaks,Eagle,you’ve got the brewskis.
Better make another beer run. Zealot don’t forget the charcoal! Duck Hunter ,you bring the poultry.
August 29, 2006 at 12:46 pm
Red Dawn,
I love the idea of your cocktail party! Wouldn’t that be nice? I think I could sit and talk to all of you for hours. Such a wide variety of interesting people! I could offer my services to you. I love to cook, and I just finished a 6 week “hands on” culinary course and have all kinds of wonderful appetizer, main dish, and dessert recipes. Some great “drink” recipes, too. If this ever happened, the only thing better than the food would be the company!
August 29, 2006 at 1:30 pm
When you’re planning your cocktails for this event, folks, don’t forget to check out the Best End-of-the-World Cocktails, elsewhere on this site.
August 29, 2006 at 2:51 pm
I’m new, but I’d like to come to the party.
Like my name says, I’m curious.
lovesamerica: I know you’re a woman, are you a truckdriver, too?
red dawn: are you a native american who’s name is dawn, or do you just like the movie?
zealot: are you really a fanatic, or were you just born pissed?
Big Jake: you need to sober up. Not everything revolves around beer.
eagle: are you sure you didn’t mean EGO
viber: dieing to know – is that short for vibrator?
August 29, 2006 at 5:04 pm
Re: curious # 239: Everything doesn’t revolve around beer!?!? How ’bout beer is what kept most of early Europe alive because the water was unfit to drink. The fact that it was alcoholic in nature was a boon. Then came preserving with salt: peanuts, pretzels, jerky, etc, to have with the beer. Baking: bread for sandwiches (VERA!!!), pizza dough, biscuits (the morning after), and DOUGHNUTS!!! Agriculture: corn for popcorn, corn nuts, cornbread for that afore mentioned chili, etc.
Remember the story of a college prof using the large jar for an example of how full your life is? First in were large rocks to represent the big things in life, second, pebbles for the day-to-day items, then after some shaking, sand for the “small stuff.” The jar was full, the prof claimed. “Not quite,” answered a student in the class, and with that, the student poured a can of beer into the jar absolutely filling the jar to capacity. The morale(?) of the story is: No matter how full your life is, there’s always room for beer! ; )
Sho… heersh t’ ya, guysh and galsh… (hic!)
Live long and prosper, and, as my daughter told me, “Eagles may soar, but weasles don’t get sucked into jet engines.”
To the younger contributors, my father’s favorite, “Old age and treachery will overcome youth and skill every time.” Yep, he kicked my butt a lot!
And to all, my take on life, “Life is too serious to be taken seriously.” Take time to laugh at yourself, don’t be too quick to judge others, and remember that the toes you step on today might be connected to the @$$ you may have to kiss tomorrow.
August 29, 2006 at 5:16 pm
curious-
You’re more than welcome to come to the party! We’ll make you the designated football.
August 29, 2006 at 6:22 pm
Curious…probably a little both.
And shuldn’t you be spelling your name
P-R-I-C-K?
August 29, 2006 at 7:03 pm
Zealot, good reply to Curious.
And Curious, no, I’m not a truck driver. But,if I was, I’m sure you can figure out the two words I’d say to you.
August 29, 2006 at 9:18 pm
Perhaps our host can interpret Reza’s message. Quayfortuna, I’m pretty sure you can translate? The friend I will ask is currently serving in Iraq so he’s got bigger things on his mind. Reality cheek? (Spelling error intended based on an online translation service.)
Reza, care to respond in French or Italian?
August 30, 2006 at 1:09 am
Curious:
SEEMS LIKE YOU DON’T GET INVITED TO TOO MANY PARTIES ,DO YA?
“I’ve always followed my father’s advice: he told me, first to always keep my word and, second, to never insult anybody unintentionally. If I insult you, you can be goddamn sure I intend to. And, third, he told me not to go around looking for trouble”.
John Wayne
August 30, 2006 at 3:33 am
Big Jake–
Again, good article. I wish they’d talk about articles like that on the news rather than talking heads regurgitating the same thing over and over. Guess that’d be too much like thinking.
viber–
Yes, I’ve enjoyed your commentary, along with many others, immensely. I would love to have a real cocktail party with the aforementioned people.
curious–
I could easily deal with any insult from you, and laugh at the ones you pffft at my peeps; however, the one directed at viber was without class completely.
And the answer to your question(s)is yes, in a roundabout way.
reza–
How about French? Or better yet, English. It’s the language most of us are communicating here in. Now there’s a thought!
August 30, 2006 at 3:40 am
quayfortuna–
You are absolutely hilarious!!!
You MUST attend the party and bring the cocktail recipes personally!
August 30, 2006 at 10:57 am
Curious:
You’re not curious, you’re something else. And it’s not humorous, either. Overly obnoxious and critical people always have deeper issues, so I hope (and pray) you will take some of Eagle’s advice and analyze yourself. You have obviously read all the posts and have gotten impressions of us. Instead of seeing and trying to understand someone’s point of view, you felt it necessary to belittle. In my case, you put a filthy spin on an innocent word. Must’ve given you quite a chuckle. I’ll let your twisted mind know that I DRIVE A VIBE. My little nephew calls me “Aunt Viber”. Thanks for degrading this endearment. It’s too bad that they’re are a lot of men in this world, but far too few “gentlemen”.
Red Dawn: I wish I DID know you personally, because I have a feeling we’d be great friends. God Bless you in all you do.
Zealot: I know you’re fiesty, and I think that’s what I like about you the most.
August 30, 2006 at 4:41 pm
Viber, unfortunately for you, chivalry died with the feminist movement. You didn’t want a world where you were put on pedestal and could have the leisure of not working, staying home and caring for the kids and your man. Wasn’t fulfilling enough for you. You can thank women like Americangirl for that. I can’t stress enough that anytime a women has any power things get messed up. Well, Muslims have the right idea. Those men don’t have the frickin problems American men do. You all want equality until you get into a divorce court, then you just can’t make it on your own without taking everything away that a man has worked for. The house, the kids, his money. You keep your claws dug in to him as long as you can, playing helpless female until you get everything you want. Then you look for another poor sap to do it to again. The real danger in this world isn’t Muslims, it’s WOMEN. Everything they touch turns to shit. I suggest you hook up with Red Dawn and head to lesboville. Stop at the nearest Reservation and throwback some firewater to lighten up. Take Zealot with you so he can say what you think but are too self-righteous to say. Maybe Eagle and DJ can join you so they can spread their perfection around a little bit and clue everyone in about the world. And don’t foget to invite Big Jake. He’ll get pissed if he misses a binge. All of you sorry asses make me want to puke. And you think your nephew calls you that because of your car!!?? Typical woman You’re not only stupid but naiive. I think the kid made an assessment and is destined to be the neighborhood stud. I hope his father teaches him to use women for the only thing they’re good for. And most of them arn’t even good at that.
August 30, 2006 at 6:22 pm
#249 – Curious – I’m not sure if this is gonna change your mind or not but here goes …. My true hope for you is that you will find a woman who you fall head over heals in love with and she for you. There will be a mutual caring and respect between the two of you that will enable you to pull through life’s most difficult experiences.
This is what I have with my husband. Chivalry and femininity are not dead. My guy and I are as crazy about each other today as were were when we met 23 years ago. Trust me when I say he is as far from weak as any human can get. However, he appreciates (and actually expects)that when he goes to where ever his nation calls, that he’s got a competent woman who can step up to the plate and handle his home, his kids, his yard, his cars and everything else he’s worked his butt off for. He taught me how to use a firearm and made sure I will use it if I have to.
Don’t make the mistake of assuming that the women on this site are a bunch of men-hating feminists. I know those women exist as do women-hating men.
Are you from the US? If so, you should know that most men and women in this country completely embrace and like (most of the time) the qualities of the opposite gender.
Most women in this country do not look at men as the enemy and it doesn’t sound to me like Red Dawn or Viber do either. We appreciate strong men. Strong men can relate to women as an equal, but different force of nature. Strong men do not belittle women, throw acid at them, beat the crap out of them, or rape them. These men know what it’s like to have the heart and soul of that woman standing next to them. They know what it’s like to receive love that isn’t given out of complete fear for one’s life. It’s empowering for them and we know it.
I don’t think I can change your viewpoint. If you are Moslem, your attitude does nothing but reinforce the fear I have for my daughters and all women in this Country.
I may be naive at times, but when the safety of my family is at stake and my guy isn’t here to protect us, you will find out how dead on reality based I can be. I am not alone.
August 31, 2006 at 2:54 am
OK everybody -CURIOUS just gave away his real identity . He is the president of the “HE-MAN
Woman Haters Club”!
Oh , by the way, Curious’ post#249- “I hope his father teaches him to use women for the only thing they’re good for”.
A little friendly advice ,Bub- Go take a Dale Carnagie course or buy his book “How to win Friends and influence People” You need all the help you can get.
August 31, 2006 at 3:02 am
Americanwoman :
You ar wasting your breath .
I don’t know if CURIOUS is a Moslem, I do know the he is a jerk.
August 31, 2006 at 3:50 am
Curious–
WOW. Impressive. Have to say, certainly not a “lesbo” as I’ve been married 13 years to a MAN.
Your life seems definitely sad and as Americanwoman said, I hope you realize how wrong you are before you miss out on what life is all about.
Don’t know why you’re so angry but sounds like you’ve been/going through a bitter divorce. I’ve got a guy friend who’s been going through the same thing and he often voices the same thoughts as you did to me even though I’m female. I’m his friend, so he knows I understand.
I think perhaps you should reach out to people for support, not lash out in your anger.
BTW, am I on the wrong blog??? I thought this was about the Iranian situation, not “men versus women”. Oh wait a minute, THAT would be the Iranian situation. Aside, of course, from aMad Hatter and his genocidal clerical tea party.
If you commiserate/sympathize with the moslems in their war against women and everyone else who’s not of the same moslem sect/and/or religion/non-religion as they are, perhaps you need to EXPORT yourself to a moslem country in the near/immediate future.
August 31, 2006 at 3:59 am
Oh, and how chauvinist…”the leisure of not working and raising the kids…”
Have you ever stayed at home and raised the kids??? They certainly don’t do it by themselves. Neither does the housework, the household accounts, the livestock (as we have), dinner prepared after a long day of the aforementioned chores. Put on a pedestal??? HA!
You should put me on a pedestal, shut your mouth, and kiss my feet.
Oh, and as Americanwoman said, I can use any firearm from a 22 rifle to a m60 to a 50 caliber deer rifle to protect me, and mine, and what my HUSBAND works so hard for.
Geez, why am I wasting my “breath”. Next!
August 31, 2006 at 12:38 pm
Anyway, I’m going back to the original topic.
Obviously Chavez of Venezuela is am absolute moron. He’s solidifying his country’s ties with Iran and Syria against the “western imperialist” nation of America. Gee, I don’t think he’s a moslem…obviously he pays no attention to what aMad Hatter’s intentions are for the world.
One thing I see in these countries opposed to western culture and “imperialism”; the rulers live a plush and wealthy existence, the people live in abject poverty and few human rights. So what is it all these countries despise so much about the democratic way of life being spread by the imperialist nation of America? It always seem to originate from the rulers of these nations who are opposed to being told what they can or can’t do by the west (generally something NOT in the world’s best interest). So they immediately set about stirring up a national pride against the policies of the west which (naturally) are commited to stealing the identity of these cultures and imposing their “dominion” on these peoples. Then of course when sanctions are placed upon these self-centered meglo-maniacal leaders and their countries and the people begin to suffer worse than they were before, this is all the fault of the western nations.
It’s really too bad that many people around the world cannot experience western culture, which is based upon personal freedom. I have a feeling many of them might acually appreciate being under the “dominion” of the imperialist nation of America.
August 31, 2006 at 1:25 pm
Why Islam today shuts down freedom of religion
Apostasy in the Quran, Traditions, and Islamic Law
James M. Arlandson
In 2006 in Pakistan, Christians have been arrested for converting from Islam to Christianity.
In 2006 in Afghanistan, Abdul Rahman was being prosecuted for converting from Islam to Christianity, a “crime” that carries the death penalty. After massive protests from governments around the world, the trial was terminated and Abdul Rahman was able to leave the country. More on the background of this case can also be found here.
As East and West meet through the worldwide web, we will hear more of such stories, even of Christian martyrs.
Apostates are those who leave a religion, in this case Islam, whether they become atheists or converts to another religion. What should happen to them according to the Quran, the traditions (or hadith), and later legal rulings? Have these modern clerics and judges strayed from original Islam?
This article exposes and analyzes the source of these anti-freedom of religion laws in Islam today.
The Quran
It must be conceded that automatic death for apostasy is not as prominent a theme in the Quran as one would expect. For instance, these verses condemn it, but its punishment is reserved for divine judgment in the Last Day, or its punishment is not clear down here on earth: Suras 2:217; 3:72, 86-87, 90; 4:137; 5:54; 16:106; 33:14; 47:25-27; 73:11; and 74:11.
Further, according to the historical context of Sura 5:33, which commands mutilation and crucifixion for striving against Allah and Muhammad, some Arab tribesmen turned away from Islam, but they also murdered a shepherd and stole livestock. Thus, more than apostasy is in view here. Nonetheless, the hadith uses this context to justify death for apostates, as reviewed in this article.
Are there clear verses about execution down here on earth for apostasy alone? The next three passages are sufficient to justify this, in earliest Islam, the original community that Muhammad was founding.
(1) Sura 4 was revealed in Medina over a period of three years (AD 625-627). At this point some Muslims have not immigrated to Medina when the invitation had been given. A group of them, called the hypocrites, had embraced Islam with reservations. Sometimes they supported Muhammad from a geographical and religious distance, for example in saying prayers the Muslim way. At other times, they seemed to help the enemies of Islam (see Abul A’La Maududi, The Meaning of the Quran, vol. 1, pp. 361-62, notes 116-117).
In Sura 4:88-89 Allah tells the prophet how to deal with these particular hypocrites.
4:88-89 Then what is the matter with you that you are divided into two parties about the hypocrites? Allah has cast them back (to disbelief) because of what they have earned. Do you want to guide him whom Allah has made go astray? And he whom Allah has made to go astray, you will never find for him any way (of guidance) 89 They wish that you reject (Faith), and thus that you all become equal (like one another). So, take not Auliya (protectors or friends) from them, till they emigrate in the way of Allah (to Muhammad). But if they turn back (from Islam), take (hold of) them and kill [q-t-l] them wherever you find them . . . . (Al-Hilali and Khan, parenthetical insertions are theirs; mine in brackets)
We should note two facts from these verses. First, Allah himself made the hypocrites go astray, yet he orders them killed. Second, the Arabic verb qatala is used (root is q-t-l), and this word means exclusively to fight, kill, war, battle, or slaughter.
Next, verse 90 says that if these nominal Muslims seek peace, not war, then Allah has not opened a way for Muhammad to fight them. He must allow them to live in their state of hypocrisy. However, as verse 89 says, if they turn back both from emigrating and Islam, then they shall be battled. So there is no ambiguity about Muhammad’s policy on full apostates—death.
For the final two passages, we allow Sayyid Abul A’La Maududi (d. 1979), a traditional and respected commentator of the Quran, to walk us through Islamic policy on apostasy, as revealed in the Quran (The Meaning of the Qur’an, vol. 2 of 6).
(2) Sura 9 is the last one to be revealed in its entirety. By now, Muhammad has a strong military, so he is about to “deal” with opponents once and for all. Three verses in this sura command striving (jihad) and then fighting (qital) against hypocrites and unbelievers (73-74 and 123). In these two verses, the hypocrites and unbelievers are not full apostates, according to Maududi.
The Quran says:
9:73-74 O Prophet, strive [j-h-d] hard against the disbelievers and the hypocrites and be adamant and stern with them . . . they did utter the words of unbelief. Thus, they were guilty of unbelief after they professed Islam . . . If even now they repent of their misbehavior, it will be good for their own selves, but if they do not repent, Allah will chastise them with a painful chastisement in this world and the Hereafter . . . . (Maududi, vol. 2, p. 213)
These two verses say three things about these near-apostates.
First, hypocrites stood aloof from Islam, yet they mouthed words of support—sometimes. At other times they opposed Muhammad, especially in his long and difficult Tabuk Crusade against the Byzantine Christians in late AD 630. They refused to go. Muhammad could not tolerate this wishy-washy behavior. Most important, he could not tolerate opposition, at this late stage.
Second, the more ambiguous word jihad is used. This implies that the ultimate command to kill the hypocrites and unbelievers has not yet been given clearly. But they have been promised “painful chastisement in this world.” How? The Muslim community has other methods of “striving” with them instead of killing them, such as ostracism, denial of their oaths in a court of law, closed doors of offices and positions, and contempt in social meetings (Maududi, vol. 2, p. 219, note 82).
Third, the hypocrites are still given the opportunity to repent. “If they now repent of their misbehavior, it will be good for them” . . . . This means, according to Maududi, that they are not full apostates, even though they uttered words of unbelief. But this chance for repentance is short lived, as the next verse reveals.
(3) In Sura 9:123 the hypocrites have been merged with the unbelievers, so they are now apostates.
The Quran says:
9:123 O Believers, fight [q-t-l] with these disbelievers who are near you, and they should find you firm and stern. (Maududi, vol. 2, p. 249)
Maududi notes two differences between verses 73 and 123. First, jihad (j-h-d) and qital (q-t-l) are used in each, respectively; and, second, only one key word describes the enemies of Islam in verse 123, whereas two words describe them in verse 73.
The only difference between the two Commands is that in v. 73 the Muslims were asked to do Jihad with them, while in this verse [123] stronger words, “fight with them,” have been used, which were meant to impress on them that they should crush the hypocrites thoroughly and completely. Another difference in the wording is that in v. 73, two different words “disbelievers and hypocrites,” have been used, while in this verse [123] only one word, “disbelievers,” has been used so that the hypocrites should forfeit all their claims as Muslims, for there was room for this concession in the word “hypocrite.” (vol. 2, p. 253, note 121, insertions mine)
Maududi says that the word “hypocrites” means a reprieve, but this word has been removed, and “disbelievers” has been supplied, which eliminates the reprieve. Recall that Sura 9:73-74 says that the hypocrites made some confession of unbelief after they professed Islam, so the implication is clear from verse 123, added to verses 73-74, as follows: Even though neither Maududi nor verse 123 uses “apostasy” as such, these hypocrites-declared-unbelievers should be fought and crushed thoroughly and completely.
The hadith
The hadith are the records or traditions about Muhammad’s words and actions outside of the Quran. This body of literature and the Quran form the foundation of later classical law. Bukhari (d. AD 870) is considered one of the most reliable hadith collectors and editors, if not the most reliable. Four examples from Bukhari and two hadiths cited by Maududi suffice to give us an idea of how harshly early Islam treats apostates.
(1) Bukhari records this tradition traced back to Muhammad himself in a legal context. It gives three reasons for shedding a Muslim’s blood. One of them is apostasy.
Allah’s Apostle said, “The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Apostle, cannot be shed except in three cases: In Qisas [like-for-like punishment] for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (apostate) and leaves the Muslims.” (Bukari)
(2) This hadith says that some “atheists” were brought to Ali, Muhammad’s son-in-law and cousin, and he burned them alive.
. . . The news of this event reached Ibn Abbas [Muhammad’s cousin and highly reliable transmitter of traditions] who said, “If I had been in his [Ali’s] place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah’s Messenger forbad it, saying, ‘Do no punish anybody with Allah’s punishment (fire).’ I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah Messenger, ‘Whoever change[s] his Islamic religion, then kill him.’” (Bukhari, Apostates, no. 6922; online source)
Evidently, these “atheists” were once Muslims, but they no longer followed Muhammad’s way. The Islam of Ali and Ibn Abbas, Muhammad’s family, would not tolerate freedom of religion, so Ali burned them alive. Ibn Abbas would have beheaded them because fire as a punishment is reserved only for Allah.
(3) After Muhammad dies of a fever in AD 632, the tribes in Arabia revolted against Islam. Evidently, they honored this religion only because the prophet grew in military prowess. But shortly after he died, they dropped their allegiance to him. However, his right-hand companion Abu Bakr was appointed successor or Caliph upon Muhammad’s death (ruled AD 632-634). This is how he deals with the revolt.
When Allah’s Messenger died and Abu Bakr was elected as a Caliph after him, some of the Arabs reverted to disbelief. ‘Umar said to Abu Bakr, “How dare you fight the people while Allah’s Messenger said, ‘I have been ordered to fight the people till they say, “None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.” And whoever says: “None has the right to be worshipped but Allah” saves his wealth and his life from me unless he deserves a legal punishment justly, and his account will be with Allah!”’” Abu Bakr said, “By Allah, I will fight him who discriminates between Zakat and Salat (prayers), for Zakat is the compulsory right to be taken from the wealth. By Allah, if they refuse to give me even a tying rope which they use to give to Allah’s Messenger, I would fight them for withholding it.” ‘Umar said, “By Allah, it was nothing, except I saw that Allah had opened the chest of Abu Bakr to the fight, and I came to know for certain that that (i.e. the decision to fight) was the truth.” (Bukhari)
In this passage, zakat “is the compulsory right to be taken from the wealth” of the Arab tribes. Abu Bakr zealously fights for every last scrap of wealth from them. Even if they withhold a “tying rope,” he will battle them for it. In the end, the first Caliph was successful. The tribes were subdued.
(4) As the final example from Bukhari’s collection, this hadith promises a reward on the Day of Resurrection for killing apostates in the last days:
. . . No doubt I heard Allah’s Apostle saying, “During the last days there will appear some young foolish people who will say the best words but their faith will not go beyond their throats (i.e. they will have no faith) and will go out from (leave) their religion as an arrow goes out of the game. So, wherever you find them, kill them, for whoever kills them shall have reward on the Day of Resurrection.” (Bukhari)
Next, Maududi cites two hadiths that he considers reliable. Both say that a Christian or Christians converted to Islam, disliked it, and then switched back to Christianity. Ali is Muhammad’s cousin and son-in-law and fourth Caliph (ruled AD 656-660), who was assassinated while praying in a mosque. How does he treat these Christians? Tolerantly?
(5) This Christian was martyred after he proclaimed the Lordship of Jesus Christ over himself and possibly even over Ali.
. . . A man who was formerly a Christian, then was Muslim, and again became a Christian was brought before Ali. Ali asked him: What is the cause of your conduct? He replied: I have found the religion of the Christians better than your religion. Ali asked: What is your belief about Jesus? He said: He is my Lord (Rabb); or else he said: He is Lord of Ali. Hearing this, Ali ordered that he be executed.
(6) These Christians were martyred after they realized that their first religion, Christianity, was far more excellent than all other religions, even Islam. Note what Ali does to their children.
. . . Ali was informed about a group of Christians who had become Muslims and then became Christians again. Ali arrested them, summoned them before himself and enquired about the truth of the matter. They said: We were Christians. Then we were offered the choice of remaining Christians or becoming Muslims. We chose Islam. But now it is our opinion that no religion is more excellent than our first religion. Therefore we have become Christians now. Hearing this, Ali ordered these people to be executed and their children enslaved.
Slavery has a long and dreadful history in Islam.
Source: The Punishment of the Apostate According to Islamic Law, for the last two hadiths; and scroll down to “Views of the Rightly Guided Caliphs,” nos. 6 and 7
This section of Bukhari’s hadith deals with apostates. This article has many more hadiths than the ones cited in this present article.
Classical Islamic law
Sharia is Islamic law based on the Quran and the hadith. Fiqh is the science of applying and interpreting sharia, done by qualified judges and legal scholars. We look at two of the most widespread and influential schools in orthodox Sunni Islam: those of Shafii (d. 829) and Malik (d. 795).
(1) Malik was also a reliable collector of hadith.
In one long hadith, Malik first lays the foundation that execution is legal.
Yahya related to me . . . that the Messenger of Allah . . . said, “If someone changes his religion—then strike off his head!”
The first class of apostates leaves Islam for something else, but they are not given the opportunity to repent.
They are killed without being called to repent because their repentance is not recognized. They were concealing their disbelief and making Islam public, so I do not think that one should call such people to repent and one does not accept their word.
The second group of apostates leaves Islam and divulges it. What happens to him?
As for the person who leaves Islam for something else and divulges it, he is called on to repent. If he does not turn in repentance, he is killed . . . If they repent, that is accepted from them. (Online source)
The next hadith in Malik concerns Umar. Recall that in the previous section Abu Bakr the first Caliph (ruled 632-634) waged wars on tribes that apostatized from Islam and that Ali the fourth Caliph (r. 656-666) killed Christians. Umar was the second Caliph (r. 634-644), and he too kills apostates as a matter of policy, except he gives them three days to repent.
. . . Then Umar inquired, “Do you have any recent news?” He said, “Yes. A man has become an unbeliever after he was a Muslim.” Umar said, “What have you done with him?” He replied, “We let him approach and then struck off his head.” Umar said, “Didn’t you imprison him for three days and feed him a loaf of bread every day and call on him to repent that he might . . . return to the command of Allah?” Then Umar said, “O Allah! I was not present and I did not order it and I am not pleased since it has come to me.” (online source)
(2) The following medieval manual compiled mainly by Ahmad ibn Naqib al-Misri (d. 1368), Reliance of the Traveler: A Classic Manual of Islamic Sacred Law, (rev. ed., trans. Nuh Ha Mim Keller, Beltsville, Maryland: Amana, 1994), summarizes rulings in the Shafii School of fiqh.
These two laws cover the two requirements that make an apostate liable for death and the obligation of the caliph or his representative.
o8.1 When a person who has reached puberty and is sane voluntarily apostatizes from Islam, he deserves to be killed.
o8.2 In such a case, it is obligatory for the caliph (A: or his representative) to ask him to repent and return to Islam. If he does, it is accepted from him, but if he refuses, he is immediately killed.
There is no monetary compensation for executing an apostate.
o8.4 There is no indemnity for killing an apostate.
The following eighteen acts, which are broad in scope, entail leaving Islam.
(1) to prostrate to an idol, whether sarcastically, out of mere contrariness, or in actual conviction; . . .
(2) to intend to commit unbelief, even if in the future. And like this intention is hesitating whether to do so or not: one thereby immediately commits unbelief;
This law says that speaking with a clear mind and deliberation the doctrine of the Trinity makes one an apostate:
(3) to speak words that imply unbelief such as “Allah is third of three,” or “I am Allah”—unless one’s tongue has run away with one, or one is quoting another, or is one of the friends of Allah . . . in a spiritually intoxicated state of total oblivion; . . .
(4) to revile Allah or His messenger;
(5) to deny the existence of Allah, His beginningless eternality, His endless eternality, or to deny any of His attributes which the consensus of Muslims ascribe to Him;
(6) to be sarcastic about Allah’s name, His command, His interdiction, His promise, or His threat;
(7) to deny any verse in the Koran or anything which by scholarly consensus . . . belongs to it, or to add a verse that does not belong to it;
(8) to mockingly say, “I don’t know what faith is”;
(9) to reply to someone who says, “There is no power or strength through Allah”; . . .
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(12) when someone asks to be taught the Testification of Faith [shahada] . . . and a Muslim refuses to teach him it;
(13) to describe a Muslim or someone who wants to become a Muslim in terms of unbelief (kufr);
(14) to deny the obligatory character of something which by the consensus of Muslims . . . is part of Islam, when it is well known as such, like the prayer (salat) or even one rak’a [act of prostration] from one of the five obligatory prayers, if there is no excuse; . . .
(15) to hold that any of Allah’s messengers or prophets are liars, or to deny their being sent;
A later legal scholar adds the following:
(16) to revile the religion of Islam;
(17) to believe that things themselves or by their own nature have causal influence independent of the will of Allah;
(18) to deny the existence of angels or jinn . . . or the heavens;
(19) to be sarcastic about any ruling of the Sacred Law;
This law leaves no room for ambiguity about the ultimate goal of Islam:
(20) or to deny that Allah intended the Prophet’s message . . . to be the religion followed by the entire world.
To sum up, these laws are all about abstract doctrine and belief, not about physical acts like murder, yet they elicit death. No one is allowed even to be sarcastic about Islamic law. Some are highly doctrinal and designed to crush different Islamic doctrines (nos. 5 and 6). No one may deny a passage in the Quran (no. 7). So how can the violent verses be renounced? Secular science is not permitted to flourish (no. 17). Clearly, these laws chill and stifle freedom of religion, thought, and speech.
Can or will Islamic countries revise or move past classical fiqh that is rooted in the Quran and sound hadith?
Conclusion
The reason Islam today shuts down freedom of religion is obvious. It is following its origins. The Quran came down allegedly from Allah through Gabriel, and Muhammad in his example was inspired by his deity. Islamic law flows out of these two sources.
However, when a religion suppresses free speech and dissent, it testifies against itself. What are the religious leaders trying to hide? Why is criticism shut down? If Islam really holds the Ultimate Truth and Final Revelation, then it should fear no challenge. The leaders should be able to defend it by words alone, for its appeal should be self-evident. People should flock to it willingly and without threat of violence. On the other hand, if people want to leave it—an unimaginable thought since Islam is so awesome—then they should be allowed to go without persecution or a sword hanging over their heads.
The ideal is for Islam to reform itself. Moderate Muslims believe that automatic execution of apostates does not have a secure basis in the Quran and early Islam. They may be right about this. It certainly is not a dominant theme. But can or will these moderates reform Islam on this subject? Can they persuade their more traditional fellow Muslims who follow the hadith and classical fiqh closely? Will they write numerous articles and books explaining why execution for apostasy is not found in the Quran? This would benefit all societies everywhere, for it would open the door for many to leave Islam, which is a burdensome and severe religion.
If not, then another strategy must be played out.
First, Islamic law must never be imposed or legitimized around the world. It is too barbaric. Freedom of religion must be given wide latitude. If it means criticizing the prophet, the Quran, and Islamic law itself, then freedom is still better than repression.
Second, free leaders all over the world must put pressure on oppressive Islamic governments. This news report shows exactly that happening.
Third, with the advent of the worldwide web, information flows freely, shining a light in the darkness. Ordinary citizens should keep track of Islamic oppression, sending emails to each other and reputable web logs (blogs). An informed citizenry is a free one, and maybe free citizens can help the oppressed across the globe. Contributions to a reputable human rights organization is another way to help.
Supplemental Material
If the readers would like to see the Quran in multiple translations, they should click on this website.
This article explains why the West must preserve freedom of speech and the Biblical basis of such freedom. Scroll down to the section on the New Testament, which diametrically opposes the Quran on freedom. Unlike Muhammad, Jesus never persecuted anyone who decided to leave him (John 6:60-70).
This report tracks the application of apostasy laws around the world, citing many examples.
This older but still accurate dictionary has a brief entry. Scroll down to “Apostasy from Islam.”
This mid-sized chapter was written by an older generation Christian who knew Islam and Arabic thoroughly. It also analyzes some legal rulings.
This is a short section in an online book. It surveys the main ideas on apostasy.
This short entry in an index to Islam has a list of Quranic verses and explains some Arabic words.
This short article contrasts Islam’s coercion of conscience with Christianity’s freedom of conscience.
This website has a booklet on apostasy.
Addendum
Maududi uses Sura 9:11-12 to justify executing apostates. Muhammad has a strong military. These verses continue Muhammad’s policy in Sura 9:1-5 of threatening the polytheists with death, ambushes, and besiegements.
9:11-12 . . . Yet if they [idolaters] repent even now, and establish Salat [prayer five times a day] and pay Zakat dues [forced "charity" tax], then they shall be your brethren in faith . . . But if they break their oaths after making compacts and revile your Faith, you should fight [q-t-l] with these ringleaders of disbelief because their oaths are not trustworthy: it may be that sword alone will restrain them. (Maududi, vol. 2, p. 179, insertions in brackets are mine)
Maududi says that according to the historical context, the “compacts” and “oaths” are not political treaties, but the acceptance of Islam. But after this renunciation and mockery of Islam, they become apostates. Muslims are therefore commanded to fight them. The Arabic root word q-t-l is used. Recall that it means to fight, kill, war, battle and slaughter. It has no ambiguity or broader meaning, as jihad does.
However, Maududi’s interpretation is not as secure as it first seems. It could very well be the case that “compacts” and “oaths” are political. Verses 3 and 4 support this political interpretation, for Muhammad warns the polytheists that his treaty obligations with them will come to an end, and at that time they were not Muslims. So the polytheists did not leave Islam because they were not part of it in the first place. But at least Maududi works hard at finding Quranic justification for killing apostates from Islam, ironically.
Source: The Punishment of the Apostate According to Islamic Law, scroll down to “The Proof from the Qur’an for the Commandment to Execute the Apostate”
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I apologize for the length of this post. I felt that it needed to be posted to give us an exposure to moslem thinking not openly discussed in today’s media.
August 31, 2006 at 2:32 pm
Meanwhile, over on the front page — What Would You Do With Your ‘Last Days’?
August 31, 2006 at 4:05 pm
Big Jake,
Thanks for the very informative read. I’ve clipped it and will make sure my friends read it.
August 31, 2006 at 11:09 pm
You can solve the world’s problems after I address your remarks.
#249 American Women: Touching love story. “my husband taught me to use a firearm” Lets see..pick up gun, put bullet in gun, pull back hammmer, aim, squeeze trigger. Sounds simple enough to me. Oh yeah, I forgot. You’re a women. How many repetitions did it take before you finally got it? And if your husband trusts you while he’s away it can only be 1 of 3 reasons.
1. He’s a dumb ass
2. He straps a chastity belt on you.
3. You’re so frickin fat and ugly he doesn’t have to worry about anyone doinkin’ you.
#251/#252: President of the He-Man Women Haters Club. I don’t hate women. Everyone should own one. But, I know your real identity now, too. You’re Bob, on the male enhancement commercials. Between the brewski’s and playing with a vienna sausage you need something big in your life.
#253/#254 Last but not least, Red Dawn. Very, VERY typical women. You have so much to say, and you say it, and say it, and say it. Sometimes two or three times within just a few hours. Take care of livestock, huh? Must be sheep for your husband. Why else would he torture himself for 13 years.
Viber must be giving me the silent treatment. Now that’s a women I would marry. If I could just find a women who would give me the silent treatment I would be an extremely happy man.
September 1, 2006 at 2:09 am
Curious :
You are starting to give me the creeps.
Why are you so interested in my Vienna
Sausage?
If it is because “you need something big in your life” ,you are barking up the wrong tree ,bub. I’m happily married with four kids.
We know you have no interest in women and women have no interest in you.
Try taking out an ad in the Village Voice. Nobody has to be lonely anymore,even you.
PS I’m glad you enjoyed the commercial.
September 1, 2006 at 12:14 pm
Curious – far from fat, far from ugly, far from dumb, and I’ve never owned a belt. It’s called trust and love for that person standing next to you. My guy is one of the smartest men I know. I didn’t say it took me long to learn how to use a gun … I just had zero desire to ever pick one up. Although with people like you in this world, I’m seeing why my husband insisted I learn how to use one.
Big Jake, Eagle, Red Dawn, Viber and every other level headed person on the blog, I’d like to continue to correspond with you and I will as long as you’re on the site. I will not be reading any of curious’s posts. He can rant to someone else.
September 1, 2006 at 12:32 pm
Americanwoman–
You’re exactly right; he’s not worth responding to.
We don’t need weak, American males like him who are obviously so threatened by women.I really do wish he’d take my advice and EXPORT himself to Iran.
He’s just so terribly pathetic.
September 1, 2006 at 1:25 pm
More insight to muslim thought…
8/8/2006 Clip No. 1230
Syrian Cleric Muhammad Said Ramadhan Al-Bouti on Hizbullah TV: I Support Blowing Up American and Israeli Targets around the World
Following are excerpts from an interview with Syrian cleric, Muhammad Said Ramadhan Al-Bouti which aired on Al-Manar TV on August 8, 2006:
Muhammad Said Ramadhan Al-Bouti: As you know, the enemy in this war appears to be Israel, but, as everyone knows, the fighting enemy is actually America. Israel is merely the claw of America in this war. People who cannot stand with their fighting brothers can still fight. They can carry out other actions.
[...]
Israel is now in the throes of death, due to the grip that has tightened around its neck. I used to be one of those who did not support acts that can be characterized as adventurous, like destroying American targets, blowing them up. But now… yesterday I was thinking about this and I looked up what the jurisprudents had to say in this matter. I hold that people who cannot stand with the Islamic resistance, but can carry out, in their countries and in other places, actions that would in some way paralyze this enemy – they should indeed paralyze the enemies’ interests, and destroy their facilities wherever they may be, but on condition that they do not confuse things. In other words, innocent lives should not be lost, the action should be carefully planned, and should by limited to the people who are hostile to us. So, you are calling for a passive boycott, for example? Economic boycott is one option. This can be done by all Arab and Islamic countries. In addition, if I were asked about destroying the facilities and interests of the enemies – America and Israel – in the various countries… Does the religious law allow us to do this? yes, as long as innocent people are not killed in the process.
September 1, 2006 at 1:29 pm
8/8/2006 Clip No. 1229
Moroccan Author Khanatha Banouna: We Need Millions of Hasan Nasrallahs and Osama bin Ladens
Following are excerpts from an interview with Moroccan author, Khanatha Banouna, which aired on Al-Jazeera TV on August 8, 2006:
Khanatha Banouna: Anyone with responsibility – in the home, in official institutions, in the pulpits, in the media, in the ideological sphere, and in politics – must build up active range – rage will shake the worm-eaten roots, which have brought us to this sick reality.
[...]
We need Hasan Nasrallah, millions of Hasan Nasrallahs. We need millions of Osama bin Ladens. We need millions of people armed with real active rage.
[...]
We are not Indians. I said this to an American journalist who came to me before the [9/11] New York incidents. I told them I believe in “blood for blood.” I still say this. I still believe in “blood for blood,” and if I had the power, I would do it myself.
[...]
We are not terrorists. What terrorist in the world is more terrible than Bush and all the Zionists? We are not terrorists, but if self-defense, and defending our values, our identity, our culture, and our religion is terrorism, then we welcome every type of terrorism on the face of the earth. In that case, I’m a terrorist, heading the list of terrorists.
September 1, 2006 at 1:46 pm
5/23/2006 Clip No. 1174
Saudi Shura Council member Ibrahim Al-Buleihi: Terrorism Is the Product of a Flaw in Arab and Muslim Culture
Following are excerpts from an interview with Saudi Shura Council member Ibrahim Al-Buleihi, which aired on Channel 1, Saudi TV, on May 23, 2006.
Interviewer: Some elements in Arab and Muslim societies have intensified the hostility towards Arabs and Muslims, through their acts of violence and terrorism, to the point that we see images of slaughtering the other – American or European – live on TV.
Ibrahim Al-Buleihi: In my opinion, we should not describe these people as deviant. This is the product of our culture.
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They are the product of a culture that believes the other does not deserve to live, and is an absolute enemy with whom no understanding is possible.
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There is a fundamental flaw in our culture that leads to this behavior. This ideology, which was advocated by Sayyid Qutb, and which is implemented by those who kill innocent people – women, children, and people who have done nothing wrong – did not emerge out of thin air, but is the product of this culture. This is a one-dimensional culture, a culture of tyranny – tyranny in culture, in politics, in society, in the family, and in everything.
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The “other” does not have to be someone completely different. When we disagree with someone, even over a shoe-shine, we regard him as the “other,” we boycott him, we excommunicate him, defame him, level accusations at him, and so on.
September 1, 2006 at 2:33 pm
Very interesting, thought-provoking stuff, Big Jake. Particularly the last one, from Al-Buleihi. Keep it up.
September 1, 2006 at 3:58 pm
I want my chance to respond to Curious. I know guys like you. About 10 years ago my sister dated a guy briefly, like twice maybe. He was jealous, she didn’t like it, so she told him she didn’t want to see him anymore. He follows her home one night, pulls her out of her car and beats the shit out of her breaking her nose in two places and putting her in hospital a couple of days. She pressed charges, he went to a jail for a little while (not long enough) and he was ordered to pay restitution, (again not enough). What this clown didn’t consider, was that she had a brother in another county with a short fuse. After he was out about 6 months, I paid him a visit. I did what my 100lb sister couldn’t do. He didn’t press charges. You know why? Because I told him if he did, that he better hope I NEVER got out. Because when I did, it would never stop. I’m glad he believed me, because back then I meant it. I was a lot younger then, but honestly, I still probably do it again.
I’m also pissed the way you insult an AMERICAN SOLDIER’S wife. What the hell is wrong with you? My wife was killed in an accident 7 years ago leaving me to take care of our 2 year old son. Trust me, pal, I didn’t realize how much my wife did until she wasn’t there to do it anymore. All I had to do before the accident was bring a home a check and take care of her. I got a real dose of reality once she was gone. I didn’t know how good I had it. You pop off about father’s teaching their sons to use women for one thing. If my son EVER hit a women or treated her with disrespect he’d have to deal with me. My son’s mother was a saint, and a hard worker, and I wish I could turn back the clock and run the errand she was on when all this came down. If it doesn’t look like a women does anything, it’s because she does it too well. The husband’s of Red Dawn and American Women are lucky men. And you need your ass kicked for shooting off your mouth.
Big Jake, you said once before you were a fellow New Yorker. How about tonight, around 7:00, crack open a beer and I will, too. You’re my kind of guy.
Lets drink to curious staying the hell off this site and going to Tehran so he kind a women he can kick around. American women are too good for him.
September 1, 2006 at 4:40 pm
Big Jake–
Fantastic information!
You quoted Muhammad Said Ramadhan Al-Bouti as saying:
“I hold that people who cannot stand with the Islamic resistance, but can carry out, in their countries and in other places, actions that would in some way paralyze this enemy – they should indeed paralyze the enemies’ interests, and destroy their facilities wherever they may be, but on condition that they do not confuse things. In other words, innocent lives should not be lost, the action should be carefully planned, and should be limited to the people who are hostile to us. So, you are calling for a passive boycott, for example? Economic boycott is one option. This can be done by all Arab and Islamic countries. In addition, if I were asked about destroying the facilities and interests of the enemies – America and Israel – in the various countries… Does the religious law allow us to do this? yes, as long as innocent people are not killed in the process.”
Obviously, not one of these terrorists listens to him. I was watching a documentary the other day and they were interviewing the man who created Azzam.com (sp?) and he said that all people who the terrorists set their sights on were the enemy and were looked upon as “fighters”. How they actually justify this is beyond me. Just an excuse to murder anyone, because they’re depraved animals who get off on murder.
You quoted Ibrahim Al-Buleihi as saying:
“They are the product of a culture that believes the other does not deserve to live, and is an absolute enemy with whom no understanding is possible.”
I’m assuming he’s referring to those moslems that believe in “death to infidels” as opposed to the moslem culture in its entirety. There is nothing for it; they must be annihilated, those moslems that do not believe in the sacredness of life.
As Bush stated after 911, “You are either for us, or against us. ” Those that passively support the terrorists should be regarded as terrorists. Those that support the terrorist agenda even in idealogy included. Line ‘em up, and take ‘em out.
I’m tired of the b.s. and the moslems in this country who use their American rights to speak out for the terrorists…if you speak for the terrorists, you are the enemy. They should have their assets seized and immediately deported to the moslem nation of their choice.
zealot-
Thank you for defending American women. I am sorry for your loss and think you sound like a wonderful husband, brother, and father. I’m sure your family thinks the world of you. I’d love to have a beer with you! I’m on the east coast–I’d love to crack one open at 7:00 and toast to you and Big Jake–REAL AMERICAN men.
September 1, 2006 at 5:02 pm
To any American moslems reading this blog, I’ll put what I said above in context:
I am a christian American who does not believe in abortion–however, I do not believe doctors who perform abortions or abortion clinic should be blown up.
I dislike the IRS as much as the next American–however, I do not believe buildings that house IRS offices or IRS employees should be blown up.
I believe that Americans who believe they are justified in going out and doing such monstrous things are criminals and should be treated as such. I believe that anyone who vocally supports people who do such things are potentially dangerous themselves.
September 1, 2006 at 6:03 pm
Zealot – Like Red Dawn, I too, am so sorry for the loss of your wife. She sounds like someone who would have been a great friend! Single parenting is not easy. Your son is lucky to have you for a role model. Thank you for your comments to Curious on my behalf as well. Chivalry is not dead.
Big Jake, I think we need to get your information out to as many people as we can. Americans are gullible and too many have fallen for the “poor Hezbollah, poor Palestinians, poor Iranians” garbage perpetuated in the media that it is scary. I think your discourse on the Quran might get some attention. How do we spread the word without looking nutty?
So what does everyone (except Curious) think about the British film company doing a “fake” assassination of President Bush? Notice Americans didn’t pour into the streets burning the British flag like so many Moslems did over the comic flap.
I live in the Northeast, not far from New York. My husband is from New Hampshire. When I visited my husband-to-be for the first time, I remember being really impressed with the motto on NH plates – “Live Free or Die” – because it fits my belief system to a “T.”
September 1, 2006 at 6:17 pm
I hope I can post this here. I read it on a site called http://www.americandigest.org/ created by a man by the name of Gerard Van der Leun. He wrote this article and I think it is absolutely fantastic! It is long but a clever and insightful read.
The War of Two Religions
Through the violent attacks of a Radical Islam, two religions have been brought into conflict. The first is that of Islam, a faith that at its core requires absolute submission from its adherents, and looks towards the subjugation of the world as its ultimate apotheosis. As the youngest of the monotheistic religions, Islam is at a point in its development that Christianity passed through centuries ago. And it is not with Christianity that Islam is currently at war. Islam is saving that for the mopping up phase of its current campaign. The religion that Islam has engaged is a much younger one, the religion of Freedom.
As a religion Freedom has been gaining converts since the success of the American Revolution enabled it to go forth and be preached to the world. Freedom is easily the most popular of the new religions and historically converts nearly 100% of all populations in which it is allowed to take firm root. This is the religion which we have lately brought to Iraq.
The genius of the religion of Freedom is that it allows all other religions, from the venerable to the trivial, to exist without fear of censure or destruction. Indeed, the only thing that the religion of Freedom firmly forbids is the destruction of Freedom itself. “Thou shalt not destroy Freedom” seems to be the only commandment. And Freedom has been shown to resist efforts to destroy it in the most ferocious way. It’s enemies would do well to ponder the fate of previous attempts to do so.
On September 11, the agents of Radical Islam began their attempt to destroy Freedom by attacking it at its core. The reaction of Freedom to this assault has been, once you consider the destructive power of the weapons systems it possesses, measured, deliberate and cautious. This is because Freedom, although sorely wounded, does not yet feel that its very existence is threatened. A more serious attack at any time in the future will put paid to that specious notion.
Following a second attack at a level equal to or exceeding September 11, any political opposition to pursuing our enemies with all means at our disposal will be swept off the table. The First Terrorist War will begin in earnest and it will not be a series of small wars with long lead times and a careful consultation of allies. The war will become, virtually overnight, a global war of violent preemption and merciless attack towards the spiritual and geographic centers of our enemy. Arguments revolving around the true meaning of ‘imminent’ will be seen as they are — so much factional prattle. Due to the nature of the enemy, the First Terrorist War will be fought here and there and everywhere. It does not matter when or where the second serious strike on the American homeland takes place, it only matters that on the day after this country will be at war far beyond the current level of conflict.
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During the Second World War, our system, with few alterations, brought us through to a peace in which there were greater freedoms than before the war. Victory validated our way of life. Not only were our freedoms intact in 1945 but they were poised, with the economy, for a great expansion throughout the rest of the century and into this. If you had proposed, in the summer of 1946, that within 50 years all minorities would be fully enfranchised, that women would be fully liberated, and that homosexuals would be a dominant force with their enfranchisement only a moment away, you would have been dismissed as a socialist dreamer. And yet, here we are.
The same situation can also be envisioned as the result of our victory in the First Terrorist War at the end of a less-clear but no less threatening passage of arms. But this will only happen if we remain clear about the real nature of the First Terrorist War, and committed to unequivocal victory regardless of the costs in lives and treasure. Only by matching the determination of our enemy to destroy us will we prevail. The only thing that can defeat us are a dull reliance on management, a fascination with process rather than victory and the reluctance to believe the extent to which our enemy desires our annihilation.
Beyond victory in the First Terrorist War is a greater goal. What we must seek is not merely the “control” and “containment” of terror, for terror in this guise cannot be controlled or contained. We must come to the deeper understanding that only a complete victory over the global Radical Islamic forces can prevent the onset of a confrontation more terrible than the current war.
What we must press for in the Terrorist War is a victory so decisive that we can, in the end, avoid the larger war lurking on the not-so-distant horizon – - a true war between civilizations. That war, should it come, will not take the name of The Terrorist War, but of The Islamic War.
The Terrorist War is still a struggle that can be fought and won with conventional means. An Islamic War, should it come, would engulf the world and be anything but conventional.
Vanderleun : August 21, 06
September 1, 2006 at 7:54 pm
Americanwoman–
You said “Americans are gullible and too many have fallen for the “poor Hezbollah, poor Palestinians, poor Iranians” garbage perpetuated in the media that it is scary.”
Unfortunately, these same Americans that believe the media propaganda are the ones highly unlikely to do any real research on the issue at hand because they are too complacent; much easier to have people tell you what to think and “why”, rather than formulate their own opinions based on true knowledge. That would be too much like “work”; people would far rather whine, “Can’t we all just get along???”
Since the terrorists won’t stop their war with us, these same Americans (which I believe are the majority)reason, “Well, if they have such a beef with us, it MUST be our fault. We certainly can bend over backwards for them since they won’t for us. We just want to make this all go away so we can continue on in our own little microscopic, hedonistic worlds where no great faith or idealogy or passions need to be comprehended or are required.”
This is why you hear so many American fools regurgitate that same old rhetoric the media and certain political parties spin “It’s all our fault because of our middle east policies.” When you hear them say this, ask them what our American policies in the middle east have been, since say, the 70’s to present time. I guarantee you anyone spewing this rhetoric won’t be able to pontificate with any accurate length on this.
September 1, 2006 at 9:10 pm
Zealot ,good buddy, it would be both an honor and a privilege to have a beer with you as well as Americanwoman,RedDawn ,Viber,DJ ,Duckhunter, Eagle,Mujibar and don’t forget our webhost Quayfortuna. You guys and gals are the best.
Zealot , I believe I don’t have to tell you that your beautiful wife still lives . She lives through you in everything you do as you raise your beautiful son. Look deeply into his eyes and you will see the reflection of her soul.
As he grows ,nourish him with the stories of his mother and her love for both of you. Love NEVER dies. It is just a dream postponed until we meet again.
Now lets share our thoughts tonight at 7PM .I’ll be thinking of you all . I’ll be thinking of friends lost on 9-11 at the World Trade Center.I’ll be thinking of the victims of terrorism. I’ll be saying a prayer for all the men and women serving our country, may God keep them safe and hold them in the palm of His hand
until they return. And for all our Honored Dead and wounded ,may God be with them ,lest we forget.
God Bless all of you.
God Bless the United States of America!
September 1, 2006 at 11:11 pm
Having that 7 o’clock beer now!
Here’s to you guys, you are wonderful!
Here’s to America, the last nation of hope.
Here’s most importantly to God, Yahweh, Supreme Ruler, and to His Son, Jesus Christ, who will bring, not destruction, but HOPE eternal for all of mankind.
Cheers, my friends!!!